MICROSOFT... WAKE THE HELL UP!!!

[Mikewarrior]

I, nor the millions upon millions of casual people don't care that you THINK Sony's PS3 is your closest rival… While you THINK Nintendo's Wii isn't competition?

I got news for you... If you (Microsoft) don't price reduce the 360 soon (Around Halo 3 launch)... The Wii will leave everyone in the dust by next year. However, you (Microsoft) say that it isn't competition for the 360, and I say that's total BS!

The Wii is a GAME system (Just like 360) that has a very good chance to become the dominant market leader by 2008/2009, and it's popularity will take away from the 360 word of mouth factor, it's sales, it's GAME sales, and it's play... Where will the GAME developers go? Developers want a easy cheap system that they can make a profit from, and if the Wii will provide that in little time/effort, while backing it up with GAME sales/user-base... IT'S OVER FOR YOU EVERYWHERE, JUST LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO SONY IN JAPAN!

[Thumpthis]

:coolguy:

Totally agree with you.

[Sirharper]

LOL!!! Not quite...

News flash for ya sport...360 prices are on the rise (see Elite).

Wii isn't direct competition because it's understood to be the technically inferior (yet more innovative) system.

You view "winning" as selling the most consoles. Winning should be who's first in line at the bank. MS has that all but assured with it's nickel and dime doctrine.

With the exception of those that multiple systems the customer demographics are generally different between 360/PS3 and Wii.

[Mikewarrior]

LOL!!!

News flash for ya sport...360 prices are on the rise (Elite).

Yeah, and that better not last long at $480.

[Mikewarrior]

Wii isn't direct competition because it's understood to be the technically inferior (yet more innovative) system.

You view "winning" as selling the most consoles. Winning should be who's first in line at the bank. MS has that all but assured with it's nickel and dime doctrine.

With the exception of those that multiple systems the customer demographics are generally different between 360/PS3 and Wii.

No... I don't give a **** about system sales/money made... I care where the developers/GAMES go, but it kind of goes hand in hand... If the Wii gets that advantage (Like PS2 once had)... I/most 360 owners, AND YES even MICROSOFT won't be very happy.

Microsoft better Wake the Hell up!!!

[DJSteel]

what can ms do now anyway???

[DeaconBlade]

the Wii is in a world of its own and will soon suffer the same fate as the Gamecube. it's cool for a bit but then what reason will there be to play it. i agree about a price cut but not for the reasons you listed.

[big isy]

There's no way the Wii will end up like the gamecube, its just too much fun.

[DJSteel]

just like the DS right.,,,

[DeaconBlade]

the gamecube was a lot of fun initially as well. :lol: trust me. it's going down that same road. it really is all about the games and unless they consistently convince 3rd party developers to develop for it, it'll end the same.

you can only do so much and appeal to so many for so long until the gimmick becomes just that.

[DJSteel]

was the DS touch screen a gimmick??

[big isy]

the gamecube was a lot of fun initially as well. :lol: trust me. it's going down that same road. it really is all about the games and unless they consistently convince 3rd party developers to develop for it, it'll end the same.

you can only do so much and appeal to so many for so long until the gimmick becomes just that.

The problem with that logic is that more developers are actually getting onboard the Wii-train. EA a while back promised full support and Ubi are already in there.

[NuAngel]

Why would MS LOWER the price of the 360? They're already LOSING money on every console sold. Fact remains, Wii's sales are good, but it is NOT a competitor, no matter how many colors or angry italics you use. The Wii is little more than the Gamecube with some fancy new controllers - its production costs are minimal. A 750Mhz CPU costs nothing compared to the three-core powerhouse behind the 360.

Your calling the Wii a "GAME SYSTEM" just like the 360 (console compared to a console) is like you're comparing a CAR to a CAR, not a Ford Taurus to a Cadillac Escalade. Some things just cost more to manufacture, you can't sell everything for the same price.

NuAngel

[big isy]

Why would MS LOWER the price of the 360? They're already LOSING money on every console sold. Fact remains, Wii's sales are good, but it is NOT a competitor, no matter how many colors or angry italics you use. The Wii is little more than the Gamecube with some fancy new controllers - its production costs are minimal. A 750Mhz CPU costs nothing compared to the three-core powerhouse behind the 360.

It's like you're comparing a CAR to a CAR, not a Ford Taurus to a Cadillac Escalade. Some things just cost more to manufacture, you can't sell everything for the same price.

NuAngel

:lmao: That made me laugh a lot for some reason.
Anyway, sales wise the wii is already winning and will likely never give up that crown considering the console made a profit straight out of launch if some analysts are to be believed. Its the popularity contest that Microsoft need to concentrate on, get their name out there and make it bigger than the playstation or Nintendo.

[NuAngel]

Its the popularity contest that Microsoft need to concentrate on, get their name out there and make it bigger than the playstation or Nintendo.

Still, I'm not too worried that people are going to forget about the 360 just because Wii is here. ;)

Popularity has had over a year to be achieved, Microsoft is in a solid place, I'm not worried about whether or not there will be an Xbox 3...Thousand (what do you call the 360's successor?).

NuAngel

[big isy]

720 is the general thought on its successor :lol:

My point is that the Xbox name isn't as widely used as Nintendo or Playstation. When I talk about games to someone who doesn't play them much they always refer to PS or Nintendo, never Microsoft or the xbox.

[DeaconBlade]

was the DS touch screen a gimmick??

handhelds are a different beast. you can do more with something that isn't supposed to be your primary gaming fix. you can't do the same with consoles.

some people like to use them in the same context...i don't. handhelds and consoles are two separate beats.

anyone remember the gamecube mic? yeah, i thought so.

[Mikewarrior]

Your calling the Wii a "GAME SYSTEM" just like the 360 (console compared to a console) is like you're comparing a CAR to a CAR, not a Ford Taurus to a Cadillac Escalade. Some things just cost more to manufacture, you can't sell everything for the same price.

You can act like the Wii is not taking away any potential customers from the 360 all you like, but I know many who decided to get a Wii instead (Because of it's cheaper price & it's known fun factor/word of mouth) People are talking about how popular the Wii is, while forgetting about the PS3 (Price) and passing on the 360 (Reliability talk is an issue among it's price) - For example... My Costco (Where I work) got in a pallet of Nintendo Wiis yesterday, and it didn't even last the day, while we are hard pressed to sell 3 PS3's or 3 360's. Too me all that = COMPETITION... no matter how you or Microsoft wants to spin it!

Also, Deac... Please don't make the same mistake many Sony fans do. The PS3 is not the PS2, just like the Wii is not a Gamecube (Maybe close in tech, but not sales) ... It's like calling the 360 an Xbox, and it will only sell 25+ million total.

The Wii has everything going for it to hit 100,000,000+ sold = Dominating in Japan, where most gamers believe that some of the best developers originate from (Japan Dev support is a factor)... Word of mouth = This is HUGE and better than any kind of marketing there is (PS2 had that)... Price = While the Gamecube was a little cheaper than the Xbox/PS2, the Wii is $150 to $350 cheaper than the other considered (Premium/60 Gig) consoles... That is a BIG DEAL

If you add in mass sales and shifting developer support into Wii's future... The 360 loses possible support from Developers & buyers... That = COMPETITION!

[Mikewarrior]

Oh, & one other thing Deac... Stop souinding like Aka Magi, or Superdud as I know him. lol

He's compleatly wrong when talks of the Wii being a fading gimmick that will lose it's demand, and have it's sales drop off like Gamecube's did. However, he is right when he talks about casuals outnumbering hardcore gamers (Hardcore do buy more games, but they ususially have ALL systems/all big games... So that's a moot point)... Casuals mostly buy one system, and the one they are buying... is the Wii. = New unique easy controles, with fast simple fun with a group of people.

That's not a good thing for you lol or 360 sales, trust me ;)

[Sirharper]

No... I don't give a **** about system sales/money made... I care where the developers/GAMES go, but it kind of goes hand in hand... If the Wii gets that advantage (Like PS2 once had)... I/most 360 owners, AND YES even MICROSOFT won't be very happy.

Microsoft better Wake the Hell up!!!

High end developers wouldn't abandon 360/PS3 for Wii even if it sells 100 million.

[Sirharper]

Wii is no Gamecube, sorry Deac.

[NuAngel]

My Costco (Where I work) got in a pallet of Nintendo Wiis yesterday, and it didn't even last the day, while we are hard pressed to sell 3 PS3's or 3 360's. Too me all that = COMPETITION... no matter how you or Microsoft wants to spin it!



Only thing about that is that while it looks like competition to the PS3, selling 3 360's at this time LAST YEAR wouldn't have been an issue. Comparing month to month sales charts to a brand new console which has had admitted supply issues to a console that is over a year old is a pretty hard sell.

Everyone who wanted their Xbox 360 THAT BAD, got one... let's see... 2005? 2006? A console that's been on the market for 18 months to one that's been out for 4-5 is not making a point - let's just compare total sales when the next gen hardware comes out... then we'll all find out who was on top. ;)

NuAngel

[Sirharper]

Never forget...there are still 17 million Xbox users out there that STILL have not stepped up to 360.

You cannot go forward if you cannot sell to your existing base. Same goes for PS3 also.

[DJSteel]

Why would MS LOWER the price of the 360? They're already LOSING money on every console sold. Fact remains, Wii's sales are good, but it is NOT a competitor, no matter how many colors or angry italics you use. The Wii is little more than the Gamecube with some fancy new controllers - its production costs are minimal. A 750Mhz CPU costs nothing compared to the three-core powerhouse behind the 360.

Your calling the Wii a "GAME SYSTEM" just like the 360 (console compared to a console) is like you're comparing a CAR to a CAR, not a Ford Taurus to a Cadillac Escalade. Some things just cost more to manufacture, you can't sell everything for the same price.

NuAngel


Is the Wii taking away sales from the 360??? i think it does.. The Wii no matter how behind it is on the graphical side is in direct competition with the 360 and PS3...and is destroying both systems in sales.. the console is the cheapest out there and none of their games are over 49.99

[AeroHudson]

I think MS is doing just fine. They have expanded the genres they support from a game availability perspective, have taken away exclusives from Sony and others, have multiple buy in options for the 360 and they have the best games coming out in 2007 than the other consoles.

More than likely a price drop of at least $50 will hit to compete with the Wii and make Sony look even more expensive. All things will happen in time. The main thing I want to see from MS right now is to just keep delivering the excellent content both online and off.

[DeaconBlade]

i guess we all will see on the Wii won't we. :) but even i know it's pulling sales from the 360. i'm just saying i don't see it having the longevity of a PS3 or 360 that's all. in the end, games still win. and unless they come up with a traditional controller, the whole motion thing won't suffice in the long run.

that's just my opinion ofcourse. it won't matter because the Wii is still kickin' ass...but will we be saying that same thing around this time next year or 2 years from now when i believe the mainstream will take over?? i doubt it. there aren't many things to enjoy with that gimmick dude.

i don't want to play football with it, basketball...i don't want to play an RTS with it...etc. i just think it'll wear thin sooner or later.

[AeroHudson]

Yeah, the Wii is having an impact on 360 sales...IMHO I think it is minimal though. Nothing that Halo 3 and/or Holiday 2007 can't fix.

I own a Wii and to be honest It tends to gather a bit more dust than the 360 does and for an odd reason. It's not that I don't have games to play. I still have to get through Zelda and Super Paper Mario. The reason is lack of being connected. I feel connected when I play my 360. I can reach out to friends and send messages and chat about games and I can also see that they are on and what they are playing. It feels less "lonely" playing the 360 than the Wii.

That may sound like a weird reason but I have become accustomed to the feeling I get when I am online with the 360 and this is very hard not to miss when playing on another console.

[NuAngel]

Is the Wii taking away sales from the 360??? i think it does.. The Wii no matter how behind it is on the graphical side is in direct competition with the 360 and PS3...and is destroying both systems in sales.. the console is the cheapest out there and none of their games are over 49.99

Where is your proof that it's taking sales away? Maybe all of the people visiting your store and buying Wii's are already 360 owners. That's my only point.

NuAngel

[big isy]

Well, we know that the 360 sales have declined since the Wii was launched, the launch of the PS3 had a much smaller effect on 360 sales so it beggars belief that the Wii is taking away those sales.

[DJSteel]

Where is your proof that it's taking sales away? Maybe all of the people visiting your store and buying Wii's are already 360 owners. That's my only point.

NuAngel

Anyone buying Wii have spent that money on nintendo and not microsoft or sony.. so yes they are taking sales away from ms.. add that with the fact I can't find a wii in a 30 mile radius... but I can go and get 360 or PS3 anywhere

[Buddy Knox]

I agree with the statement that Wii is in it's own little category. It's for children and those who like waving their hands like retards. There's millions of individuals who fit either mold, but real gamers are spending their money elsewhere. Nintendo's games for the most part just don't compare to their next gen counterparts. Flame if you wish, but that's how I feel.

[DJSteel]

I agree with the statement that Wii is in it's own little category. It's for children and those who like waving their hands like retards. There's millions of individuals who fit either mold, but real gamers are spending their money elsewhere. Nintendo's games for the most part just don't compare to their next gen counterparts. Flame if you wish, but that's how I feel.

yet it sells out everywhere...amazing how many little kids and retards like the system...

[Buddy Knox]

true indeed. it's an unfortunate epedemic. i can't criticize people who own multiple consoles too much because sometimes you just want to play something different. however, it's hard for me to fathom having the wii as my only system.

[DJSteel]

i don't.. full bc to the gamecube, vc for NES, N64, SNES, Sega Genesis, also the Wii games aren't half bad as well....

[Buddy Knox]

being able to play old games is cool and all, but nintendo has been making kiddie shit for years. they were great in my youth, but they just don't cut it nowadays.

[DJSteel]

right... don't knock it until you've tried it...

[Buddy Knox]

i owned a ds and gamecube at one point. decent systems, but the games didn't do it for me. nothing nintendo offers with the wii has tempted me to give them another shot.

[DJSteel]

i owned a ds and gamecube at one point. decent systems, but the games didn't do it for me. nothing nintendo offers with the wii has tempted me to give them another shot.

what games did you own for the two systems?? maybe the problem was you didn't get games you like

[Buddy Knox]

for the ds i had brain age, mario kart, and castlevania. for the gamecube i owned sims bustin out (horrible purchase), metroid prime, mario party 4 or 5 i forget which one, and ssx 3. the rest of the games that i played i rented. the problem i had with gamecube is that the majority of the games that i wanted were on the xbox too. since i played the xbox a lot more i'd always get it for that system.

[big isy]

I had never properly owned a Nintendo console prior to the Wii. I had the Gamecube for about 2 months maximum and then sold it,not enough decent titles for me but the Wii is different. A lot of the titles are visually aimed at the younger player but once you get into them you end up loving them. I recall making a post regarding the obsession that is Animal Crossing on the DS, same thing.
Whilst nintendo's own games maybe aimed at the younger demographic, some of the 3rd party titles are definitely not. The Godfather, Scarface and Manhunt 2 are all coming to the Wii with the first already out.

[Mikewarrior]

but will we be saying that same thing around this time next year or 2 years from now when i believe the mainstream will take over?? i doubt it. there aren't many things to enjoy with that gimmick dude.

i don't want to play football with it, basketball...i don't want to play an RTS with it...etc. i just think it'll wear thin sooner or later.

Yeah, and I (And many Hardcore gamers) completely understand what you are saying... However, the casuals (The real mainstream for sales) don't know that until they tire of it themselves, but by then it's too late... and that Wii sale has already had an influence on the industry with many other millions upon millions in the same boat.

If you want to see the 360 sell beyond the small potential sales of the Hardcore gamers out there, It needs what the Wii has... Too bad that is impossible unless things change. = Cheaper price/Word of mouth/Simple (Casuals remember?) Fun games/Reliability.

When people buy the Wii instead of the 360, mainly because of price, and uniqueness helps also (Known FACT that I know from others)... It's lost 360 sales, and that is competition.

People can stupidly spin it all they like... It just makes them look clueless.

[big isy]

I consider myself Hardcore when it comes to gaming and there is no way I would pass the Wii off as a timed gimmick. I don't see it as a console that'll lose its charm after two years any more than the 360 or PS3 would. Things do get old and I'm sure the motion sensing capabilities will lose that 'uniqueness' it currently has but it won't be any different to how the 360 is 'normal' now.

[Mikewarrior]

Everyone who wanted their Xbox 360 THAT BAD, got one... let's see... 2005? 2006? A console that's been on the market for 18 months to one that's been out for 4-5 is not making a point - let's just compare total sales when the next gen hardware comes out... then we'll all find out who was on top. ;)

NuAngel

The thing is... What took the 360 to do in TWO years, the Wii is doing it in ONE.

The Wii is at around 6-Million+ sold in 5 months... While the 360 sold 9-Million+ in a YEAR.

Now do the math.

[big isy]

To be fair, each Japanese person probably bought two once they got to the store :lol:
They loves their Nintendo.

[Mikewarrior]

Things do get old and I'm sure the motion sensing capabilities will lose that 'uniqueness' it currently has but it won't be any different to how the 360 is 'normal' now.

The thing is... Is if you want mass sales, and future developer support, you NEED to cater to the CASUAL market with simple/fun games while using a simple/fun/unique controlling device that the casuals can understand. = The Wii has that, and the 360 caters to the small % hardcore.

[big isy]

I completely agree with you, but that's not to say the Wii's controls can't be put to use in a hardcore title. The Godfather does a lot and I can't help but favor it above the Xbox version. This is just a port so imagine just how awesome a game designed specifically for the console could be.

In the end it falls down to Devs, Miyamoto has said in an interview he wants to do something that caters to the hardcore crowd so that's a sigh of relief from those who find it too casual oriented.

[Mikewarrior]

To be fair, each Japanese person probably bought two once they got to the store :lol:
They loves their Nintendo.

Could be true (I think of PS2) and it won't matter, if the Wii does like what the PS2 did.. The 360 doesn't stand a chance.

[big isy]

Nah, I'm relatively sure they'll have done what they did with the DS launch, one per customer.

[Mikewarrior]

I completely agree with you, but that's not to say the Wii's controls can't be put to use in a hardcore title. The Godfather does a lot and I can't help but favor it above the Xbox version. This is just a port so imagine just how awesome a game designed specifically for the console could be.

In the end it falls down to Devs, Miyamoto has said in an interview he wants to do something that caters to the hardcore crowd so that's a sigh of relief from those who find it too casual oriented.

Oh, I never said it couldn't cater to hardcore style gameplay, but most hardcore people's tastes in games are at the High-End HDTV level (But many buy all no matter what) while most casuals don't really care while playing on their standard TV.. Casual is the majority (Wii caters to that) while the Hardcore are the minority (Wii & 360 cater to that) = Now who has the huge advantage?

And talking about Devs... Team Ninja's Itagaki even stated that he would like to do some things for the Wii = When that day happens, and that game is good... I'll buy a Wii, but mostly for the nostalgia from it's VC = That is another big factor for it's sales, and into it's promising future.

[big isy]

Itagaki is showing Nintendo a lot of love with the recent showing of Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword on the DS so I wouldn't be surprised to see something on the Wii from him.

[DJSteel]

hardcore <> high tech... i consider myself hardcore.. and I'll look out for Genesis's, saturns. etc..because getting those key consoles/games and playing them is my passion.. The wii would save me a ton of money and space with it's virtual console...

[blazsox]

hardcore <> high tech... i consider myself hardcore.. and I'll look out for Genesis's, saturns. etc..because getting those key consoles/games and playing them is my passion.. The wii would save me a ton of money and space with it's virtual console...

I'll concur with the Wii saving you some space. As for money....meh, the Virtual Console is quite expensive if you buy a lot (as I would want to with all the classics that I want to play again).

[DJSteel]

i'd pay 10 - 15 dollars for most of the N64 titles..some of these title are rare enough that the carts are like 25 - 30...

[SuMeRiaN]

The numbers are obvious the Wii is kicking butt, but I to believe it is a fad. I believe once the supply has met the inital demand sales will level off. I think we are very close to this happening. I am seeing units in the stores now and most of my friends with Children scored theirs in the last 2 weeks.

[AeroHudson]

I own two systems right now...my primary system is the 360 and my "want somethign different every now and then" system is the Wii. I'm with Buddy...I could not see the Wii being my only system. The Wii tends to gather a bit more dust for me and most games I will buy will be first party Nintendo stuff (i.e. Zelda, Mario, etc.).

I don't think the Wii is a gimmic either but at the same time I don't think it can sustain it's current sales momentum for much longer. It will normalize and start selling at the rate of the 360 and with teh 360's one year head start I have a feeling it will remain in the lead for good considering that Halo 3 and other exclusives are coming this year.

I love the Wii but as a hardcore gamer it cannot sustain me in and of itself. Casuals may be a different story but for the hardcore I would imagine if someone has a Wii they probably have a 360 or PS3 as well. Just my thoughts.

[DeaconBlade]

and really on that same token Aero, i think Nintendo aimed exactly for that. they want the Wii to be a secondary console. they're marketing was near perfect.

[aquaboy1976]

I have an XBOX 360 and a Wii. I would look at my Wii as a secondary console I guess. I like playing the nintendo exclusive games on it. As far as multiconsole games though (Spiderman 3 for example), I'll most likely be going for the 360.

[Sirharper]

Secondary console for some. Primary for many kids and as NBC showed retirement homes as well.

[NuAngel]

I want a Wii, just for kicks - my buddy has one, it would be fun to do things in the world of Wii... but for actual competition and gaming, my 360 is where it's at. The Wii, I would only buy because of it's low price tag and some of the senselessly fun games. But if my buddy and I end up getting a place together this summer, then I probably won't waste the cash on a Wii, I'll just play his now and then. lol

Nu

[AeroHudson]

and really on that same token Aero, i think Nintendo aimed exactly for that. they want the Wii to be a secondary console. they're marketing was near perfect.

True that! What will be interesting is what Nintendo's next move will be post Wii. I think they have proven they can get back in the console game with their current strategy...what will be interesting is if they sustain this kind of momentum going into the next gen.

I know...I'm getting a bit ahead of myself but this is the kind of stuff I think about from time to time. ;)

[Mikewarrior]

and really on that same token Aero, i think Nintendo aimed exactly for that. they want the Wii to be a secondary console. they're marketing was near perfect.

It's not secondary for all those casuals that don't care about graphics, but want something easy, simple, unique & FUN.. That = Nintendos' Wii.

There have been middle aged women that have never bought into the PS3/360 thing, but have wanted a Wii... Why you ask? Well I have asked them why they want a Wii, and the reason was because "word of mouth" & "A friend brought it over, and we all had so much FUN playing together at the party"... I then asked, why not get a 360/PS3? They said ”Those are to complicated, I don't normally play video games... and they cost way too much."

Nintendo is grabbing the market that Peter Moore was talking about during E3 05... "We want a BILLION people to experience the Xbox 360" = Casual market… Well, no Peter/Microsoft it's not happening, but the Wii has a Hell of a chance though.

Oh yeah... That is taking away what Microsoft wanted, so it = Competition.

[Sirharper]

I'm going to have to agree with Mike on most of that. Wii is looking like it has the legs to run the distance.

What I disagree with is that Wii will take anything away from 360/PS3 no matter how successful it becomes. I also do not see that it will inspire the others to act differently by way of response to the competition.

[SuMeRiaN]

I dont disagree with anyone here but to think the supply will NEVER meet the demand is just insane. Soon I tell you there will be Wii's in everystore and it will be LONG before they get close to 10 million sold. Once the unit hits the shelves it will be up to Nintendo to raise the bar and I dont see it happening unless they can nail 3rd party games.

Hands down its always good to have something for the "party" situation, XBOX 360 has some fun stuff and of course the ultimate party game.. GUITAR HERO...

The 360 will outsell the NINTENDO WII on a monthly basis once the itial demand has been met.

[Mikewarrior]

but to think the supply will NEVER meet the demand is just insane.

Who are you referring to when you say that?

I also believe the supply will meet the demand sometime this year (Maybe August)... However, I do know for a fact that the Wii is taking away 360/PS3 sales, and it will continue to do so in console sales & Games. When people like many here buy a 360 & a Wii... The 360 may not lose in console sales, but when an individual only has a certain amount of money to spend, and he/she buys a Wii game instead... That = lost sales for 360 games = Competition

Also, when I hear of people say they got a Wii instead of buying a 360 like they originally intended to... That = lost sales for 360 & it's games = Competition

Oh, and I'll make a MAN's bet with you that the Wii will continue to outsell the 360 in the majority of the months to come... if things stay the same on the 360 side. Microsoft better do something good for 360 sales (Not just Halo 3) to overcome the Wii's dominance.

[SuMeRiaN]

I am referring to anyone that is weighing the current rate of sale and giving us a date at which the Wii will have sold more units than the 360.

The WII is a gimick and a very popular one at that. I camped at launch and got mine, not impressed the least I sold it a month later. My brother left me his several months later when he went to India and I never touched it.

VC is the biggest joke for anyone with a little pc knowledge. At least MS requires arcades titles be redone and include XBL support and even in many cases COOP online.

Dont think for a second I am bashing the idea, they are cleaning house by targeting a HUGE audience.



WAY off topic;

I assume you have linked me to XBOX forums ? Will Costco carry two SKU's for the 360 or are they dumping the premium ? Finally what state to work in ? I visit about 25 different Costco's a year. From San Juan to Naples to Chicago..

BTW I just ran through all our gold accounts on XBOX.com and it appears I have been banneed for several days now on this account. Despite the fact that I have been posting without knowledge on other accounts. :( It appears I use the word TROLL to often for certain others to tolerrate.

[Mikewarrior]

I am referring to anyone that is weighing the current rate of sale and giving us a date at which the Wii will have sold more units than the 360.

Oh, that's better...When I state that the Wii will outsell the 360, I am stating it as a problem for Microsoft to realize, and thus affect 360 sales. It's a ploy to help those understand that if nothing is done to help 360's sales increase by lowering the product to compete competitively with Wii’s prices... The Wii will always come out on top, and that could affect 360's future with Devs & defiantly games sales. = Without all Devs on your side, you lose out on their games and their sales for your system.


WAY off topic;

I assume you have linked me to XBOX forums ? Will Costco carry two SKU's for the 360 or are they dumping the premium ? Finally what state to work in ? I visit about 25 different Costco's a year. From San Juan to Naples to Chicago..

All I know is that Costco still caries the Premium and many had the Elite (Not mine)... I live in Oregon.

[DJSteel]

I am referring to anyone that is weighing the current rate of sale and giving us a date at which the Wii will have sold more units than the 360.

The WII is a gimick and a very popular one at that. I camped at launch and got mine, not impressed the least I sold it a month later. My brother left me his several months later when he went to India and I never touched it.

VC is the biggest joke for anyone with a little pc knowledge. At least MS requires arcades titles be redone and include XBL support and even in many cases COOP online.

Dont think for a second I am bashing the idea, they are cleaning house by targeting a HUGE audience.



WAY off topic;

I assume you have linked me to XBOX forums ? Will Costco carry two SKU's for the 360 or are they dumping the premium ? Finally what state to work in ? I visit about 25 different Costco's a year. From San Juan to Naples to Chicago..

BTW I just ran through all our gold accounts on XBOX.com and it appears I have been banneed for several days now on this account. Despite the fact that I have been posting without knowledge on other accounts. :( It appears I use the word TROLL to often for certain others to tolerrate.

if the wii was a gimmick..how come I still don't see any in stores near me...
vc is not a rip off..not like roms are legal..