360's OBLIVION vs. PS3's OBLIVION

[Mikewarrior]

Here's the results in different categories :

Vsync / control :
I notice no tearing in either version, however, there is more input lag on the PS3 version. The lag feels about 75% worse (it's totally subjective however).

'Jaggies' :
PS3 has worse jaggies, but not by much. The PS3 version seems to have no AA, while the 360 version looks like 2xAA on a PC.

Bloom / HDR effects :
Best way to describe it is, 360 version seems to have more light bloom, with higher intensity of the colors. PS3 version has a more dynamic HDR effect, looking at a bright surface makes your 'eyes' adjust more than the 360 version.

Texture quality :
The textures are generally higher resolution on the 360. I'd say 80% of the textures are twice as good on the 360. The few textures that are better on the PS3 are the character textures and some objects, such as the little table in your cell at the beginning of the game.

Texture Filtering :
PS3 has an enormous edge here, looks more like 16xAF on a PC, more like no AF on the 360. This makes textures in the distance more clear.

Load times :
PS3 version is superior here. PS3 load times are about 40% faster. A 10 second load time on 360 is about 6 on PS3. A 40 second load time is about 25 on PS3. Stuff like that.

Lighting (not HDR) :
Lighting seems slightly better on the 360. One specific example is in the starting dungeon. The torch on the wall in your cell has a better effect on the 360. It waves around more, the PS3 version just pulses.

Framerate :
360 is the winner here. PS3 is all around slower 90% of the time. Sometimes it's just a few FPS, sometimes it's up to ~10fps, I'd say. The slowdowns on the 360 are worse on the PS3.

Sound :
PS3 version sounded more muffled, perhaps they compressed the audio. It's possible I'm wrong because the 360 itself is louder than the PS3 by far, so it was easier to hear the PS3 audio. Still, I'd say the PS3 audio sounds downsampled. Note, this doesn't count the music or voice, just the sound effects seem muffled.

LOD :
PS3 has no better LOD than the 360 version. There is no choppyness when moving around outside like on the 360, but it isn't pushed out any. Also, like many suspected, the 'LOD shader fix' is not much more than the little texture LOD fixes that users made for the PC version.

Both versions look VERY similar, but I would give a slight edge to the 360 version, simply for the better textures (for the most part). Load time differences wouldn't be noticeable if I weren't running both at the same time. The PS3 is nice and quiet, so you can pick up more sound details, but the sound itself sounds a bit muffled on the PS3.

LOD shader improvement.
You know how stuff fades into view often on the 360 version? Well, the entire zone will blur into view on the PS3 (and presumably the patch coming to 360 soon). It IS a much better effect, instead of seeing a whole area pop in in front of you, the entire thing just fades in really smooth like.

Sounds like what the PS3 fixes in load times/Texture filtering/Few good Textures... It also screwes up in Sound/Frames per second/Lighting/HDR/Jaggies, and most of it's Texture quality.

[Sirharper]

Duplicate thread.

Cite your source(s). If you are the source then I would take your conclusions with a grain of salt.

[big isy]

Oblivion 360 review average (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/927345.asp?q=oblivion)

Oblivion PS3 review average (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/934605.asp?q=oblivion)

At the moment the PS3 edition is marginally better in the averages but that could be down to there being more reviews of the 360 version.

[Mikewarrior]

Cite your source(s). If you are the source then I would take your conclusions with a grain of salt.

It's from an owner of both the PS3 & 360... But his posts always seem to favor the PS3 at a Xbox site.

[Sirharper]

Yeah, not to mention a few items in this latest edition from Mikey are a direct contradiction of his previous threads findings.

[Sirharper]

It's from an owner of both the PS3 & 360... But his posts always seem to favor the PS3 at a Xbox site.

Thats your evidence? Ummm...OK.

[Mikewarrior]

Thats your evidence? Ummm...OK.

Here you go = http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=514791

Now go serch his history.

[Mikewarrior]

Yeah, not to mention a few items in this latest edition from Mikey are a direct contradiction of his previous threads findings.

Like... Oh and quote it!

[Sirharper]

Ummm yeah, blogs and forums do not constitute valid sources.

[Mikewarrior]

Ummm yeah, blogs and forums do not constitute valid sources.

Then you should stop typing... Wrong one.

[Sirharper]

Like... Oh and quote it!

From the original 1-up review:

"textures far off in the distance look a bit cleaner on PS3"

From todays near duplication:

"The textures are generally higher resolution on the 360. I'd say 80% of the textures are twice as good on the 360."

[Sirharper]

Then you should stop typing... Wrong one.

I'm here to talk about 360.

Why do nearly all of your threads talk about PS3?

[Mikewarrior]

From the original 1-up review:

"textures far off in the distance look a bit cleaner on PS3"

From todays near duplication:

"The textures are generally higher resolution on the 360. I'd say 80% of the textures are twice as good on the 360."

One is saying DISTANCE and is talking about the SHADER FIX (That the 360 will also get) to the other that compares the textures CLOSE-UP.

Can you figure that out?

[Sirharper]

Great, so you've proved this new thread contradicts itself.

[Mikewarrior]

I'm here to talk about 360.

Why do nearly all of your threads talk about PS3?

I luv the truth, and the fact that Sony has no idea what that is.

[Mikewarrior]

Great, so you've proved this new thread contradicts itself.

How is that?

[Sirharper]

LOL...as far as the truth is concerned you're a virgin.

Here's a tip junior, you'll never know the truth until you drop the bias.

[Mikewarrior]

LOL...as far as the truth is concerned you're a virgin.

Here's a tip junior, you'll never know the truth until you drop the bias.

I don't have bias... I say it like I see it no matter who it is = Microsoft/Sony or Nintendo.

It's you who defends Sony (Xbox site right?), talks crap about Microsoft while supporting them.

[Sirharper]

I don't make ANY thread related to PS3, EVER.

Being a 360 supporter there's much more validity in my comments about 360 than in your fanboist views about a PS3 you don't even own.

[Mikewarrior]

Guess what just came out for download...

"This DEFINTELY makes a difference guys. Just played with it a bit and yes, the difference is noticable. The far off LOD textures aren't looking like low res patches of paint anymore...they look smooth but not blotchy. I could swear that the pop-in is made a bit better too but that may just be my mind playing tricks on me...I will try to do a formal comparison later on maybe."

360 OBLIVION fix.

[Mikewarrior]

I don't make ANY thread related to PS3, EVER.

Being a 360 supporter there's much more validity in my comments about 360 than in your fanboist views about a PS3 you don't even own.

I don't need to own it to have a view, but I have played it.

Anyways, no... You don't post threads but you highjack/forum stalk everyone of my threads with your hate towards me and your defense for Sony = Do YOU own a PS3 to have such a view?

[big isy]

Theres an update for Oblivion on the 360? I'm there. Need an excuse to pop it back in to the disk drive.

[Mikewarrior]

Theres an update for Oblivion on the 360? I'm there. Need an excuse to pop it back in to the disk drive.

I've been waiting for it also.:coolguy:

[big isy]

that was shader fix? I can't see any difference, probably just me.

[Mikewarrior]

that was shader fix? I can't see any difference, probably just me.

You need a big HDTV.;)

Btw, I'll try to take before & after pics tonight.

[big isy]

I'm using my Monitor which is essentially, high def

[Mikewarrior]

I'm using my Monitor which is essentially, high def

Like I said... You need a BIGGER HDTV.:grinking:

[big isy]

I'm using the same monitor I always have and have had no problems with it.

[Mikewarrior]

I'm using the same monitor I always have and have had no problems with it.

The shader draw-distance with cleaner textures should be very hard to tell on your little monitor... Plus you haven't played it in awhile, and really have nothing to compare it to.

I'll try to get pics, and see if it can pic up the differences... but they won't be as good as being there.

[Sirharper]

I don't need to own it to have a view, but I have played it.

Anyways, no... You don't post threads but you highjack/forum stalk everyone of my threads with your hate towards me and your defense for Sony = Do YOU own a PS3 to have such a view?


Any hate would be a gross exaggeration. I debunk your rethoric as a service to the community.

You know I don't own a PS3, thats why I only mention 360 shortcomings and areas of needed improvement.

[Mikewarrior]

Any hate would be a gross exaggeration. I debunk your rethoric as a service to the community.

You know I don't own a PS3, thats why I only mention 360 shortcomings and areas of needed improvement.

You have yet to debunk anything, and you defend the PS3 that of what you have yet to own... And thus you should have no understanding of it going by your own words. = You clueless!

Good day sir, bye, bye now!

[Sirharper]

Wake up kid. You get owned daily by everybody that posts in your threads. Most people here just write you off as irrelevant and don't post.

[Mikewarrior]

Wake up kid. You get owned daily by everybody that posts in your threads. Most people here just write you off as irrelevant and don't post.

You know what most people think without them posting... Wow, amazing!!

Can you tell me the next Lotto numbers?

Btw, isy... There was an update, but you were right... There is no shader/texture fix yet. However, the update seemed to fix the loading pause issues from one area of the forest to the next. I traveled a good distance and didn't have one loading hiccup. Maybe just luck, I don't know.

The person at that forum where I got the 360 shader fix info as wrong. Sorry, I blamed your small monitor, or your memory.:bow:

[Sirharper]

I don't need to guess I've exchanged PM's with various people about it. lol

[Mikewarrior]

I did take pics... Here is one

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/Mikewarrior/IMG_0145.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

I don't need to guess I've exchanged PM's with various people about it. lol

I don't know those people, so why should I care?

I'm having fun, so I really don't care what they think, or have to say.

[Sirharper]

Obviously. You truly live in your very own world dude.

[Mikewarrior]

Obviously. You truly live in your very own world dude.

Yep, I don't live it for anyone else... That's for sure.

[DJSteel]

i'll take Oblivion for 20 dollars cheaper on the PS3 if I owned both systems.. and btw Microsoft has lied plenty of time about multiple things..about every 360 would have hdds, the Live marketplace wouldn't be used to nickel and dime people, the whole Core issue.. yet you seem to think Sony did all the lying...

[Mikewarrior]

i'll take Oblivion for 20 dollars cheaper on the PS3 if I owned both systems.. and btw Microsoft has lied plenty of time about multiple things..about every 360 would have hdds, the Live marketplace wouldn't be used to nickel and dime people, the whole Core issue.. yet you seem to think Sony did all the lying...

Well think of this ... At first Microsoft wasn't even going to have a Hard Drive with the Xbox 2 (I guess you don't remember) http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zd1up/is_200403/ai_ziff120929

Good thing Microsoft listened to their fans and put a Hard drive with the 80% of 360's sold. Standard was one lie that I know of that came long after everyone was thinking that the NEXT XBOX wasn't even going to have a Hard Drive at all. However, you can't take the bad without the good.

Also, about that Nickel & Dime issue... It's the developers Like EA's decisions, not Microsoft's = http://kotaku.com/gaming/mtv/moore-talks-microtransactions-213711.php

Microsoft doesn't want to get caught in the middle and piss-off the Developers/Publishers, or you... So it's really up to you, not Microsoft to enforce.

And what Core Issue did Microsoft Lie about... Here's some of Sony's =

This LINk here (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543&page=0) says it all in the timeline for the PS3... That's not even counting all the lies during the PS2 era.

Here's a few of my own...

Sony - PS2 is 50 times more powerful than the Dreamcast with the “Emotion Engine” - PS3 is 2 times more powerful than the Xbox 360, it’s a Xbox 1.5 and our PS3 is a computer replacement with the “Cell CPU” = You see any similarities? Keep waiting for Sony to not over promise and under deliver on their consoles/games.

Sony - Killzone PS3 footage at E305 is real-time says Phil Harrison, then it was proven not to be and no one has seen anything since? Keep waiting.

Sony fans with the PS2 - Graphics don’t matter/Sony fans with the PS3 - Now graphics matter because it should be more powerful than 360 (Year later/more expensive/It‘s a SONY), but 360 has better graphics now for a fact, but you still support Sony & their PS3? = Keep waiting for that better graphics performance.

PS2 - The large library matters most/PS3 - Just wait, the games will come, but the 360 has had a year of games come out before the PS3 and many of them are exclusive to the 360 all while the 360 has 139 games coming to the U.S. compared to PS3’s 104 and some of those 104 games has old 360 games in them. = Keep waiting for that better library of games.

PS2 - Rumble is important/PS3 - Rumble is so Last Gen, . Sony - Suxasses is Next Gen and we can’t have rumble & motion control at the same time, oh wait… we can have it now, because we say so… It’s important now! We are no longer in a lawsuit with Immersion, so we now can have rumble? We now can do both because of our amazing SONY technicians did the impossible… Included Last Gen rumble with Next Gen motion control to get “Super Gen control!!!” Anyways, Keep waiting for that rumble.

Sony - They said their online service will be better than LIVE when the PS3 comes out… Is it? Oh, and FREE never makes something BETTER. Keep waiting for that March update miracle.

Sony - Tries to silence the media by way of blackmail, and once they report the news (Yes, that includes all rumors) Sony then blackballs them for letting people know that Sony is once again adding elements of both the Wii & the 360 to get more half-assed shit. Oh and then once Sony sees that they are getting major backlash from the gaming community, they put their tail between their legs and give in to their own threats = They are just as much pussies as they are liars! Keep waiting for Sony to get something original & worth of quality.

Sony - Denounces that there are PS3s on store shelves more than 5 minutes, and if it can be proven they’ll pay $1200 for every one found.. But then they don’t pay when proven? Then they spin it as a good thing that you can find PS3s on store shelves, but then they say that possibly in May that they’ll get stock in stores on a regular basis to keep stock plentiful because they can’t meet demand? What is it Sony? Keep waiting for Sony to get a clue one day and to always tell the truth or to keep their mouth shut.

Sony - That they are going to get 100% B/C with PS2 games on PS3 with PS2 Hardware that doesn’t even offer 100% B/C… Then they take out the PS2 hardware to help them, and screw future PS3 buyers who think it’s 100% B/C.

Sony - On multiple SKUs
They said that they weren’t going to do it, but then they did.... Didn't they?

[Sirharper]

Lots of words, little meaning.

MS has lied about many things. Whether or not it lies more than Sony, I could care less. I'm only interested in Xbox.

[DJSteel]

Well think of this ... At first Microsoft wasn't even going to have a Hard Drive with the Xbox 2 (I guess you don't remember) http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zd1up/is_200403/ai_ziff120929They were researching that..plus that was in 2004... http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10777 is more along what I was talking about

Good thing Microsoft listened to their fans and put a Hard drive with the 80% of 360's sold. Standard was one lie that I know of that came long after everyone was thinking that the NEXT XBOX wasn't even going to have a Hard Drive at all. However, you can't take the bad without the good.they didn't listen.. in reverse..they said the Basic package of Xbox 360's would include a HDD... they lied...

Also, about that Nickel & Dime issue... It's the developers Like EA's decisions, not Microsoft's = http://kotaku.com/gaming/mtv/moore-talks-microtransactions-213711.php
Microsoft doesn't want to get caught in the middle and piss-off the Developers/Publishers, or you... So it's really up to you, not Microsoft to enforce.
Wait is it called EA Live??? or Ubisoft Live??? Truth is M$ lets them do it.. and even with their Arcade titles.. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/18/lumines-live-is-lacking-in-modes/
instead of defining the requirements for dlc, they allow companies to do it.

And what Core Issue did Microsoft Lie about...However, at present the official line remains that the Xbox 360 will ship with a hard drive as part of its basic specification - and it seems more likely that the difference in configuration at launch will be that some models will ship with a significantly larger hard drive than the 20Gb baseline. Here's some of Sony's =

This LINk here (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543&page=0)
If i had the time I could sit here and compile all the lies MS pushed...
says it all in the timeline for the PS3... That's not even counting all the lies during the PS2 era.

Here's a few of my own...

Sony - PS2 is 50 times more powerful than the Dreamcast with the “Emotion Engine” - PS3 is 2 times more powerful than the Xbox 360, it’s a Xbox 1.5 and our PS3 is a computer replacement with the “Cell CPU” = You see any similarities? Keep waiting for Sony to not over promise and under deliver on their consoles/games. that ture of MS as well..all companies are guilty of that..even Nintendo...

Sony - Killzone PS3 footage at E305 is real-time says Phil Harrison, then it was proven not to be and no one has seen anything since? Keep waiting. Don't care...

Sony fans with the PS2 - Graphics don’t matter/Sony fans with the PS3 - Now graphics matter because it should be more powerful than 360 (Year later/more expensive/It‘s a SONY), but 360 has better graphics now for a fact, but you still support Sony & their PS3? = Keep waiting for that better graphics performance.graphic matter but no where near to gameplay, depth, and control

PS2 - The large library matters most/PS3 - Just wait, the games will come, but the 360 has had a year of games come out before the PS3 and many of them are exclusive to the 360 all while the 360 has 139 games coming to the U.S. compared to PS3’s 104 and some of those 104 games has old 360 games in them. = Keep waiting for that better library of games.I'm sorry but the past year had a few good games...not many though

PS2 - Rumble is important/PS3 - Rumble is so Last Gen, . Sony - Suxasses is Next Gen and we can’t have rumble & motion control at the same time, oh wait… we can have it now, because we say so… It’s important now! We are no longer in a lawsuit with Immersion, so we now can have rumble? We now can do both because of our amazing SONY technicians did the impossible… Included Last Gen rumble with Next Gen motion control to get “Super Gen control!!!” Anyways, Keep waiting for that rumble.rumble is overrated...PSX initially never had it... no biggie only MS zombies care about this issue

Sony - They said their online service will be better than LIVE when the PS3 comes out… Is it? Oh, and FREE never makes something BETTER. Keep waiting for that March update miracle.Free is better...Live charges you for in game items...

Sony - Tries to silence the media by way of blackmail, and once they report the news (Yes, that includes all rumors) Sony then blackballs them for letting people know that Sony is once again adding elements of both the Wii & the 360 to get more half-assed shit. Oh and then once Sony sees that they are getting major backlash from the gaming community, they put their tail between their legs and give in to their own threats = They are just as much pussies as they are liars! Keep waiting for Sony to get something original & worth of quality.proof???

Sony - Denounces that there are PS3s on store shelves more than 5 minutes, and if it can be proven they’ll pay $1200 for every one found.. But then they don’t pay when proven? Then they spin it as a good thing that you can find PS3s on store shelves, but then they say that possibly in May that they’ll get stock in stores on a regular basis to keep stock plentiful because they can’t meet demand? What is it Sony? Keep waiting for Sony to get a clue one day and to always tell the truth or to keep their mouth shut.Umm.. I went to about 6-10 game stores around Pittsburgh right at launch.. every place was sold out..the only console my local gamestop is sold out of is a Wii...

Sony - That they are going to get 100% B/C with PS2 games on PS3 with PS2 Hardware that doesn’t even offer 100% B/C… Then they take out the PS2 hardware to help them, and screw future PS3 buyers who think it’s 100% B/C.Sony - there is a small list of PSX, PS2 games which DO NOT WORK ON the PS3, while Xbox has a list of games that DO WORK ON THE 360...

Sony - On multiple SKUs
They said that they weren’t going to do it, but then they did.... Didn't they?they announced it after Microsoft..they reacted to the competition trying to under cut them....

[Mikewarrior]

Lots of words, little meaning.

MS has lied about many things. Whether or not it lies more than Sony, I could care less. I'm only interested in Xbox.

Then only post in the Xbox forum... Duh! You have such a good opinion about Sony to defend them, but don't support them... Hmmm?

It's Sony & what their stupid fans say that created my dislike towards them... I like to throw it back in their faces. Now why do you try to get in the way? By you saying "little meaning" shows your lack of common sense.. When will you get it?

[Mikewarrior]

Then DJSteel... sell your 360, because you truly think ridiculous.

[DJSteel]

Then DJSteel... sell your 360, because you truly think ridiculous.

why would i do that?? I'm not against M$..but I'm also not against Sony... i'm out for myself... I call M$ out on their problems.. I call Sony out as well... you sit there and bash one for making lies or promises and going back on them, meanwhile MS has done it too... quit being so hypocritical and enjoy the forums instead of trying to argue with OTHER 360 owners... btw.. I don't own a PS3...

[Mikewarrior]

why would i do that?? I'm not against M$..but I'm also not against Sony... i'm out for myself... I call M$ out on their problems.. I call Sony out as well... you sit there and bash one for making lies or promises and going back on them, meanwhile MS has done it too... quit being so hypocritical and enjoy the forums instead of trying to argue with OTHER 360 owners... btw.. I don't own a PS3...

Dude... I have agreed with the fact that Microsoft had lied (Intentional... I don't know)... But I do know for a fact that Sony has done it many times more AND INTENTIONAL while basically calling gamers STUPID!

I also know that their fans are very ignorant by saying a lot of stupid things while also believing everything Sony says. I do this for fun... Get over it and your Sony defending self.

[Sirharper]

So maybe get over your MS defending self?!?!?

Buy a clue kid. Play some 360 and educate yourself, that puny gamerscore proves you have limited expirence.

[DJSteel]

Dude... I have agreed with the fact that Microsoft had lied (Intentional... I don't know)... But I do know for a fact that Sony has done it many times more AND INTENTIONAL while basically calling gamers STUPID!

I also know that their fans are very ignorant by saying a lot of stupid things while also believing everything Sony says. I do this for fun... Get over it and your Sony defending self.



well let's see Sony has been in the game much longer...maybe that is why you see more from them... you contradict yourself and you don't know what you talk about...

[DJSteel]

So maybe get over your MS defending self?!?!?

Buy a clue kid. Play some 360 and educate yourself, that puny gamerscore proves you have limited expirence.


he had to get personal because he couldn't answer back my reply to his book..

[Mikewarrior]

So maybe get over your MS defending self?!?!?

Buy a clue kid. Play some 360 and educate yourself, that puny gamerscore proves you have limited expirence.

No... I don't defend Microsoft like you do for Sony. I also don't buy into every game for gamerscore like you do child... I'm not into thinking "I'm better/more knowledgeable because of my score" like you are now doing. = Like I said, "Child"

[Mikewarrior]

he had to get personal because he couldn't answer back my reply to his book..

I know you can't understand.

[DJSteel]

I know you can't understand.

I know you couldn't answer my replies because they made too much sense...
I know you are too much of a pansy to make your gamercard public, obviously you are hiding something...
I know you have double standards
I know you are a hypocrite

[Sirharper]

he had to get personal because he couldn't answer back my reply to his book..

It goes without saying his statements cannot stand on the basis of fact.

[Mikewarrior]

well let's see Sony has been in the game much longer.

You think so...

Sony Computer Entertainment, Incorporated (株式会社ソニー・コンピュータエンタテインメント, Kabushiki Gaisha Sonī Konpyūta Entateinmento?) (SCEI) is a Japanese video game company specializing in a variety of areas in the video game industry, mostly in video game consoles and is a full subsidiary of Sony Corporation that was established on November 16, 1993 in Tokyo, Japan.

Microsoft Game Studios (MGS), branded with current logo and moniker in 2002 (formerly the Microsoft Game Division)

Who was first to the GAME?

[DJSteel]

umm was that to back up my post or...am I missing something???

[Mikewarrior]

well let's see Sony has been in the game much longer.

Are you talking PC or Consoles?

[DJSteel]

obviously I'm talking consoles...

[Mikewarrior]

obviously I'm talking consoles...

O.k. yes Sony was first... But we are talking in just the PS2/PS3 era... Microsoft was around during that time in the console biz... Now why has Sony said so many more stupid things?

[DJSteel]

O.k. yes Sony was first... But we are talking in just the PS2/PS3 era... Microsoft was around during that time in the console biz... Now why has Sony said so many more stupid things?



even starting with the PS2..Sony has been there longer...thus had more press...it's not like they've said dumber things..they've been out there longer... they were established..

[Mikewarrior]

even starting with the PS2..Sony has been there longer...thus had more press...it's not like they've said dumber things..they've been out there longer... they were established..

No, I'm not talking about before the PS2... I'm talking more recently since Microsoft entered the Console business working with SEGA on their Dreamcast.

PS2 & PS3 era... Sony has said & done at least 10X more lies/more arrogance & less respect to everyone, including gamers.

[DJSteel]

No, I'm not talking about before the PS2... I'm talking more recently since Microsoft entered the Console business working with SEGA on their Dreamcast.

PS2 & PS3 era... Sony has said & done at least 10X more lies/more arrogance & less respect to everyone, including gamers.


lmao...MS had little to no input on the Dreamcast...Dreamcast just picked up Windows CE because it was easy to implement...little did they know it would be the downfall for the system...

like I said.. Sony has been there longer.. they were considered a major player when they released the PS2.. MS was just starting out...Sony is an establsihed company for console gaming = more press = more publicity (good or bad)...

[Mikewarrior]

lmao...MS had little to no input on the Dreamcast...Dreamcast just picked up Windows CE because it was easy to implement...little did they know it would be the downfall for the system...

like I said.. Sony has been there longer.. they were considered a major player when they released the PS2.. MS was just starting out...Sony is an establsihed company for console gaming = more press = more publicity (good or bad)...

First, That wasn't the downfall of the Dreamcast... Many things were, CD emulation/No support from EA/PS2's hype, and most importantly... SEGA's past cought up with them and their funds ran out even before the Dreamcast.

More press for Sony over Microsoft... I don't believe that at all, and Nintendo was once an established #1 company (Maybe again) for console gaming that was head & shoulders above Sony.. Yet they never said and they have never done as many stupid things as Sony has done in just the past 5 years.

[Sirharper]

Wow, a new form of pathetic.

[Mikewarrior]

Wow, a new form of pathetic.

Let me guess... You looked in the mirror?

[DJSteel]

First, That wasn't the downfall of the Dreamcast... Many things were, CD emulation/No support from EA/PS2's hype, and most importantly... SEGA's past cought up with them and their funds ran out even before the Dreamcast.

More press for Sony over Microsoft... I don't believe that at all, and Nintendo was once an established #1 company (Maybe again) for console gaming that was head & shoulders above Sony.. Yet they never said and they have never done as many stupid things as Sony has done in just the past 5 years.

#1 reason the Dreamcast failed was the CD emulation...because Microsoft Windows CE was so easy to dupe...people didn't have to pay for games...

Nintendo took a major hit for going cartridge on the N64... and you even said how expensive games...

[Mikewarrior]

#1 reason the Dreamcast failed was the CD emulation...because Microsoft Windows CE was so easy to dupe...people didn't have to pay for games...

Nintendo took a major hit for going cartridge on the N64... and you even said how expensive games...

No, CD's were easy to dupe on the PS2 also... It wasn't the Windows OS.

Yes, Nitendo has made big mistakes, but they havent lied or made as many as Sony has done in the past 5 years.