EA craps on more good people.

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54263


EA-owned developer Mythic Entertainment will not be recognizing former staff members that contributed to its upcoming PC MMO Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, the studio has confirmed with Shacknews.

"Over the years, we've had hundreds of people work on the game, and we thank everyone who helped us bring our Warhammer passion to life, but only current employees that have continued until the end will be credited in the final game," Mythic VP and general manager Mark Jacobs told Shacknews.

"Accreditation in Warhammer Online recognizes the incredible team that has poured their heart and soul into making WAR an amazing MMORPG experience," he added.

An ex-employee of Mythic, who requested anonymity, described the surprisingly frequent move as "dogging out many, many developers."

"This has been an ongoing problem in this industry for many years," they informed Shacknews, while expressing confidence that their work appears in the final product. "I spent three years on WAR and I, including many other people who spent just as much if not close to the same amount of time, will NOT be credited in the game."

Mythic announced that it had acquired the license for Warhammer Online in 2005. Following numerous delays, the title is slated to launch on September 18.

"I was told they made SURE to not include anyone in the list who was not at the office the day of the credit list creation," the one-time staff member continued. "This is wrong on many levels and should not go unnoticed."

The subject of accreditation and the criteria surrounding it is a major issue among the development community.

"Game credits are often inconsistent from game to game within the same company," claimed the International Game Developers Association, which has formed a dedicated committee to draft crediting standards for the gaming industry.

At present, the IGDA suggests its members credit "any person...who has contributed to the production of the game for at least 30 days of a 12-month or greater project...[or] any person who has contributed during 10% of the project's total time in development [for projects shorter than 12 months]."

A glance at the IGDA's list of studio members reveals only three EA studios as members--EA Montreal, EA Mobile Montreal and EA Partners--suggesting that EA does not have a blanket policy on accreditation and leaves those decisions up to the individual subsidiaries.

"The actual people who do the menial tasks and long hard hours deserve their credit," our source concluded. "If our work is to be 'shown' in a game and 'shipped' on a released game then that developer should be credited...I wish to get all former employees of EA Mythic / Mythic Entertainment together to discuss this and possibly take legal action against EA."

I ask... Is it possible to hate EA any more? I shake my head at anyone who supports their crap, because you should give a shit.

[Scarecrow]

I don't care and if their games are fun to play then I will play them.

Why should I care if a dev gets credit for doig something they love to do?????? I don't get credit for doing something that I love to do at my job. It's my freaking job and I need to do it and I love it. I don't need credit.

Plus who the hell looks at credits in a game anyhow????????

[Mikewarrior]

Yeah, defend EA so you can have no conscience when you buy their games.

It seems like many gamers will sell their soul, so they can have fun playing games - Nothing matters more than fun, huh?

Lame.

[Scarecrow]

Yeah, defend EA so you can have no conscience when you buy their games.

It seems like many gamers will sell their soul, so they can have fun playing games - Nothing matters more than fun, huh?

Lame.


:LMAO:............ First off you have no idea what you are talking about..........lol. You like to assume way too much about people and you worry about things that should not worry you. You should get an ulcer in a year or two ;)

Second, you are talking about Warhammer which is a PC game and not a console game (at least that is what the article says).

You just hate everything and any time you can complain about something, you will. I could careless what EA does with devs that leave after working on an MMO, they left with something that they can still put on their resume. If they just want to see their name in credits, that is pretty selfish IMO. If it is a thankless job then why do it?

I don't play MMO or PC games anymore, so it does not make a difference to me what EA does and for your information, I hate EA. Just because I play some of their games means nothing. I boycott stuff that actually means something.

[SpeedracerCJR]

Yeah, defend EA so you can have no conscience when you buy their games.

It seems like many gamers will sell their soul, so they can have fun playing games - Nothing matters more than fun, huh?

Lame.

Ya pretty much, I play games to have "fun"

[DJSteel]

games = fun.. anything more than that.. then there will be problems..

[Dreaded Dragon]

I don't care and if their games are fun to play then I will play them.

Why should I care if a dev gets credit for doig something they love to do?????? I don't get credit for doing something that I love to do at my job. It's my freaking job and I need to do it and I love it. I don't need credit.

Plus who the hell looks at credits in a game anyhow????????
Yes you do get credit for doing your job. It's called work experience and it goes with you and shows up on your resume. I'm sure for developers it's nice for them them to get their name on the creds because maybe they can use that in some way to spread word of their accomplishments or what have you. Even if it is totally useless, they deserve to get credit because it is expected in the the field that they work in.

[Scarecrow]

Yes you do get credit for doing your job. It's called work experience and it goes with you and shows up on your resume. I'm sure for developers it's nice for them them to get their name on the creds because maybe they can use that in some way to spread word of their accomplishments or what have you. Even if it is totally useless, they deserve to get credit because it is expected in the the field that they work in.

I understand that, the thing is, it is an MMO and I am sure that there have been a few hundred different people working on the game. I don't blame EA, especially since I don't play the game. The industry as a whole I really don't care about the names of the developers as long as they develop fun products.

Just like my job, the majority of people don't care who keeps them safe or free, just as long as some one out there does ;). get my meaning?

[Mikewarrior]

http://joestraitiff.livejournal.com/368.html

When you know a shit company treats their employees like shit & you willingly support that shit company by buying their products... You are no better than the shit company itself.

I wonder if you support China & how they treat the Buddhist Monks?

[SpeedracerCJR]

http://joestraitiff.livejournal.com/368.html

When you know a shit company treats their employees like shit & you willingly support that shit company by buying their products... You are no better than the shit company itself.

I wonder if you support China & how they treat the Buddhist Monks?

If they don't like getting treated like shit they can leave their company....obviously it isn't that bad, because they are still working there. The grass isn't always greener on the other side

[Mikewarrior]

If they don't like getting treated like shit they can leave their company....obviously it isn't that bad, because they are still working there. The grass isn't always greener on the other side

You know... Sometimes people have families & are obligated to work (No matter how poorly treated they are) to feed them & keep a roof over their heads.

How about a little compassion for those who are treated the worst in the gaming industry, & are stuck because of life's obligations, instead of caring more about you all having fun?

It won't stop if you people keep supporting the shit.

[Scarecrow]

I wonder if you support China & how they treat the Buddhist Monks?

Better learn who you are talking to before you start talking about that trash.

I don't support any company, IF I by a game that was brought out by EA and the game is fun to play, then why do I care? You seem to be one of the only ones that even give a crap. Those Dev's got paid and they decided to move on, what is the big deal????? I am still trying to loose sleep over it, but I can't.

If they were such a "shit" company, they would not be putting out some good games, either inhouse or published. I really do not care.

Hell, I bought a PSP and I am loving it. I don't go for this "LOVE" one console and "BASH" all the rest. If I was 12 then maybe. :popcorn:

Too much "real" things going on in my life to care.

[Scarecrow]

You know... Sometimes people have families & are obligated to work (No matter how poorly treated they are) to feed them & keep a roof over their heads.

How about a little compassion for those who are treated the worst in the gaming industry, & are stuck because of life's obligations, instead of caring more about you all having fun?

It won't stop if you people keep supporting the shit.

NO I will not send them money when their salary triples mine per game. Anyone can leave a job and get a better one, it is called experience. Try it, it is good for a lot oof people.

I agree with Speed, although he is from Texas the :flower: State......:beer2:

[SpeedracerCJR]

You know... Sometimes people have families & are obligated to work (No matter how poorly treated they are) to feed them & keep a roof over their heads.

How about a little compassion for those who are treated the worst in the gaming industry, & are stuck because of life's obligations, instead of caring more about you all having fun?

It won't stop if you people keep supporting the shit.

So when is the last time you sent money over to help the starving folks in Ethiopia or any other 3rd world country? Do you feel guilty every time you throw away a half empty plate of food?

[Mikewarrior]

^ Actually, I don't throw away food unless it's rotten from the start, & yes I do feel for those who are suffering in EVERY country, yet I give to the Salvation Army all the time... Could it be more, sure... But I am not one to say I'm perfect to everything that is out of sight & out of mind... However, when I do know of something that goes against my morals... I change the support on my end to do what is right = Like I don't support Nike & their slave shops.

I guess having fun is more important than doing what is right.

[AeroHudson]

You're on a video game site. Most folks come here to get away from the real world for a bit. Besides, comparing developers that may not get there name listed on end of game credits that noone pays attention to pales in comparison to the other atricities that are occuring in the world. Not even in the same ballpark or on the same planet for that matter.

[Mikewarrior]

^ Yes, but we are talking about the GAME world because this is a gaming forum & I will not support the worst when it comes to a huge company that treats their people ike crap... when there is no reason to.

I don't support things I don't like.

[AeroHudson]

Completely understand.

[Scarecrow]

I guess having fun is more important than doing what is right.


You want to do something that is right? then serve your country instead of taking every thing for granted. Bet you won't do that huh?

Also, every single name brand is made in a sweat shop, so I guess you walk around nekked all the time huh?

[Mikewarrior]

You want to do something that is right? then serve your country instead of taking every thing for granted. Bet you won't do that huh?

Are you trying to make a point? In the gaming world that is irrelevant & I'm also too old. I also don't need to use the military for free college. :p

Also, every single name brand is made in a sweat shop, so I guess you walk around nekked all the time huh?

You're wrong. Oh, & if you don't think so, then enlighten me to where New Balance shoes are made? If I know that a certain brand is inhumane... I change the brand & will not be willing to support them.

[Scarecrow]

You spout how you like to do the right thing, then you bring up sweat shops (tell me how that is relevant to gaming?????) and then you throw free college as the reason that you don't serve? You make no sense what so ever to me. free college has nothing to do with the "right" thing................lmao. (If you are in fact 32 like you claim you are not too old......lol

I am just wondering how you can get away with play absolutely no games that has anything to do with EA. As far as I can tell, they have something to do with quite a few games out there by either development or publishing or owning another company. EA has their hand in a lot of pots out there, you just may not know it ;)

[Mikewarrior]

You spout how you like to do the right thing, then you bring up sweat shops (tell me how that is relevant to gaming?????) - It was an example of things I try to distance myself from supporting, so next time try to get a clue - and then you throw free college as the reason that you don't serve? You make no sense what so ever to me. free college has nothing to do with the "right" thing................lmao. (If you are in fact 32 like you claim you are not too old......lol - I didn't give free college as a reason why I don't serve, & I'm older than 32... I said the reason why most serve the military is to USE the system = It sure in Hell isn't wanting to DIE for some stupid political reason. Serving in a war isn't always the "right" thing to do (Who says, YOU?), yet many have to because they are stupid enough to sign their life away... I'm not that dumb to do so. Next time, don't try so hard to insult my intelligence, because I may cause you anger by my retort... like I know I just did.

I am just wondering how you can get away with play absolutely no games that has anything to do with EA. As far as I can tell, they have something to do with quite a few games out there by either development or publishing or owning another company. EA has their hand in a lot of pots out there, you just may not know it ;)

Trust me... I look before I buy, & if EA has anything to do with a game I'm interested in, I will not buy until I can find it used (You know, an intelligent person can look at the writing on the game box to find out if EA had anything to do with the game) - I guess now you know.

[Scarecrow]

LMAO............LMAO............ You don't anger me at all, especially by what you just said about the military...........LMAO. Most people around here know how immature you are and you constantly make an ass out of yourself............like you just did.

The way you constantly talk down to others, just makes everyone laugh at you. You know how it is, you constantly make me laugh and rarely piss me off. Not my fault if you have nothing better to do (being over 32 and what not) than to waste your time on here............LMAO.

You are a joke and always will be a joke.

Edit: forgot to add the part about EA: So you will wait to buy a game from EA until it is used???? But yet you spout that you will not "give" money to something you don't agree with? But yet, do you know that when you buy a used game, that the people that you so call support "developers" do not see any of that money. So while you claim to do the right thing, you infact are not supporting the people who work for EA, or who are paid for them do not see any of that money.

So in essence, you are not supporting the ones that you started the thread about. That is kind of wierd. Hypocrite.

[Mikewarrior]

LMAO............LMAO............ You don't anger me at all, especially by what you just said about the military...........LMAO. Most people around here know how immature you are and you constantly make an ass out of yourself............like you just did.

lol, if that's what you think... Good, glad to make you laugh.

The way you constantly talk down to others, just makes everyone laugh at you. You know how it is, you constantly make me laugh and rarely piss me off. Not my fault if you have nothing better to do (being over 32 and what not) than to waste your time on here............LMAO.

lol, & you said I was making an ass out of myself = Are you not here also?

You are a joke and always will be a joke.

lol, o.k.... You seem to be trying awful hard to not show you are upset by giving childish insults, so what is it?

Edit: forgot to add the part about EA: So you will wait to buy a game from EA until it is used???? But yet you spout that you will not "give" money to something you don't agree with? But yet, do you know that when you buy a used game, that the people that you so call support "developers" do not see any of that money. So while you claim to do the right thing, you infact are not supporting the people who work for EA, or who are paid for them do not see any of that money.

So in essence, you are not supporting the ones that you started the thread about. That is kind of wierd. Hypocrite.

lol, you know nothing... It's EA's money in the game because they are the publisher (Developers already got paid by EA) - So no, I'm not a hypocrite. Please learn something first before spouting things you do not understand… Especially about me.

[Scarecrow]

lol, you know nothing... It's EA's money in the game because they are the publisher (Developers already got paid by EA) - So no, I'm not a hypocrite. Please learn something first before spouting things you do not understand… Especially about me.

OK, so the point of this thread is what? You said that you do not "support" things that are wrong, but yet you will wait until they are cheaper for you to buy? And you will not be supporting the so called "wrong" doings of EA? :conf:

I don't like EA, matter of fact, there are a lot of things I do not like about the entire industry, but yet I only game for one thing and one thing only and that is FUN. I will not let a PC game get in the way of me having fun :coolguy:

About the other things, my point was and has been made:popcorn:

[DJSteel]

bottom line.. most major manufacturers use sweat shops..

Mike: You have a computer.. you have electronics.. their parts are sweat shop produced.

Scare: If you buy a used game, none of the money goes to EA.. or whoever the producer is of the game.

[AeroHudson]

Scare: If you buy a used game, none of the money goes to EA.. or whoever the producer is of the game.

Although, you are taking used product off the shelves which may limit used game options for other consumers which may then go out and buy the game new.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying. ;)

[Scarecrow]

Although, you are taking used product off the shelves which may limit used game options for other consumers which may then go out and buy the game new.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying. ;)

LMAO...........@ you and DJ. That is my point, the money only goes to the store that the used game is from..............lol. Some people do not understand that I guess.

I hate EA, but I just bought Madden 09, New, so long live the fun of gaming!:wave2:

[Mikewarrior]

LMAO...........@ you and DJ. That is my point, the money only goes to the store that the used game is from..............lol. Some people do not understand that I guess.

No shit Sherlock... That is my point = It sure in Hell isn't going to EA

I hate EA, but I just bought Madden 09, New, so long live the fun of gaming!:wave2:

http://www.unscripted360.com/forums/showpost.php?p=51107&postcount=3

[Mikewarrior]

Although, you are taking used product off the shelves which may limit used game options for other consumers which may then go out and buy the game new.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying. ;)

I guess it could happen, but I'll believe the reason why someone would look to buy a used game in the first place is to find it cheaper, not to pay the full $60

So no... I believe you are wrong.

Also, trust me... It's not hard to find many EA games used, so what limit?