An awesome article about "the console wars".

[Sirharper]

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/7/11/4594

[big isy]

That was spot on. People are too hooked on trying to buy the number one system to enjoy what's on offer.
I fel sorry for those poor folks who missed out on some stellar Dreamcast titles simply because the console was not winning the race.

[Mikewarrior]

MOLD = July 11, 2006

Does it show 360 sold numbers?

[big isy]

Did you read the article? :lol:

[Mikewarrior]

Did you read the article? :lol:

A long time ago... And You can own every console ever made and still be a fan of a particular one over the other. Simply by buying more games for it because of it's features.

Humans always have preferences. There is no such thing as equal with tech.

[big isy]

Its more the Humans questioning other Humans decisions for liking something that's not needed.

[Sirharper]

Like I've always said:

Sony will finish this generation with more units sold but MS will finish with more money (or at least less money lost).

The console war will be settled at the bank and not in the hearts and minds of fanboys.

[Mikewarrior]

The console war will be settled at the bank and not in the hearts and minds of fanboys.

Who cares... I want all the best 3rd party games on the 360 using it's superior features.

[big isy]

Well, you do. Otherwise you wouldn't be so harsh on my decision to buy a PS3.

[Mikewarrior]

Well, you do. Otherwise you wouldn't be so harsh on my decision to buy a PS3.

And I'm going to say it's stupid every time.

[big isy]

I'm not even gonna bother to answer that. I'm too old for this shit. :rolleyes:

[DJSteel]

And I'm going to say it's stupid every time.

why is it stupid??

[Sirharper]

why is it stupid??

Because anything that he disagrees with is stupid and the person saying it is ignorant.

[DJSteel]

I'll give him a couple of answers to that:
1. HDMI port best quality on HDTV
2. 1st Party games, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Motorstorm
3. Free online service
4. Blu Ray player under 700
5. bluetooth capabilities
6. WiFi enabled.
7. 99% backwards capabilities
8. eventually downloadable PS1, PS2 games that can be transferred between the PS3 and PSP
9. Sony taps into the Japanese market game like Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Katamari Damacy
10. bigger hard drive

[Sirharper]

Some great analytical points there.

More logic and less blind emotion is what we need in here.

[UNSCleric]

MGS4 is a third party game. Sony does not have any control over Konami.

[DJSteel]

MGS4 is a third party game. Sony does not have any control over Konami.

they have control over the franchise..that is why all the MGS's either just release on the ps2 or there first..

[Sirharper]

Control is not necessary if you have certain agreements in place.

[Mikewarrior]

I'll give him a couple of answers to that:
1. HDMI port best quality on HDTV = You won't see a difference, so it's not needed.
2. 1st Party games, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Motorstorm = MGS4 is not 1st party, it's 3rd party & the last 2 are not that great to pay $600.
3. Free online service = You get what you pay for - weak compared to LIVE
4. Blu Ray player under 700 = Not game related, & not known if it will last
5. bluetooth capabilities = That is known to have it's fair share of problems... Nothing all that great compared to what the 360 has.
6. WiFi enabled. = Slower than hardwired, more drops, connection issues... so it's stupid to use.
7. 99% backwards capabilities = Not until proven
8. eventually downloadable PS1, PS2 games that can be transferred between the PS3 and PSP = Eventually.. The 360 will eventually get Halo 3/GTA4 & a price drop.
9. Sony taps into the Japanese market game like Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Katamari Damacy = Games like those can go to the 360 also... Blue Dragon/Lost Oddyssy/Eternal Sonata/Trusty Bell - Yeah all 360 also.
10. bigger hard drive = Yeah, it's needed for the initial downloads for PS3 games to fill up to get load times to compare to 360 games.

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[big isy]

1. HDMI is noticeable, why else would exist?
2. SOCOM, Heavenly Sword, Lair, GT5, Resistance, Motostorm and a couple others I must have missed
3. Its free, has online play and you can chat to friends. It's not better than LIVE but it's definitely not weak.
4. Current stats show Blu-ray outselling HDDVD, its entirely possible that it'll overcome the HDDVD
5. 360 only allows official items to coincide with it, PS3 allows peripherals from other companies, a wider choice of peripherals essentially.
6. Wifi is not slower than hardwired, my set-up is testament to that.
7. Yuo're right, we'll have to wait and see on this.
8. PS3 will also get GTA4 and a price drop eventually.
9. Games lke the ones you mentioned can also go to the PS3.
10. The load times are much faster and theres still more space on the HDD than on the 360's.

[DJSteel]

'll give him a couple of answers to that:
1. HDMI port best quality on HDTV = You won't see a difference, so it's not needed.it is a bit better..but okay
2. 1st Party games, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Motorstorm = MGS4 is not 1st party, it's 3rd party & the last 2 are not that great to pay $600.MGS3 is the most played PS2 online game right now and no platformer in MS's library past,present or future can compare to R&C
3. Free online service = You get what you pay for - weak compared to LIVEWait is there an Xbox Live title that can hold 32 players??
4. Blu Ray player under 700 = Not game related, & not known if it will lastit's out there now and it's a viable alternative to buying the standalone.
5. bluetooth capabilities = That is known to have it's fair share of problems... Nothing all that great compared to what the 360 has.personal opinion..bluetooth is out there and strong...
6. WiFi enabled. = Slower than hardwired, more drops, connection issues... so it's stupid to use.cheaper than the Xbox 360 alternative..
7. 99% backwards capabilities = Not until provenit is proven
8. eventually downloadable PS1, PS2 games that can be transferred between the PS3 and PSP = Eventually.. The 360 will eventually get Halo 3/GTA4 & a price drop.
GTA IV is coming to the PS3.. what does that have to do with downloadable library that can be transferred between a PSP and PS2
9. Sony taps into the Japanese market game like Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Katamari Damacy = Games like those can go to the 360 also... Blue Dragon/Lost Oddyssy/Eternal Sonata/Trusty Bell - Yeah all 360 also.4 game ain't going make a dent in the Japanese Market
10. bigger hard drive = Yeah, it's needed for the initial downloads for PS3 games to fill up to get load times to compare to 360 games.WWE SVR has the worst load times and it s a 360 title...
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[Mikewarrior]

1. HDMI is noticeable, why else would exist? = One wire for VIDEO & SOUND
2. SOCOM, Heavenly Sword, Lair, GT5, Resistance, Motostorm and a couple others I must have missed = Not that many... You'll pay $360(US) in games for a $600(US) game console?
3. Its free, has online play and you can chat to friends. It's not better than LIVE but it's definitely not weak. = Yes, it's options are weak compared to LIVE
4. Current stats show Blu-ray outselling HDDVD, its entirely possible that it'll overcome the HDDVD = That still doesn't mean it will become standard... DVD/Digital distribution, remember?
5. 360 only allows official items to coincide with it, PS3 allows peripherals from other companies, a wider choice of peripherals essentially. = 1st party is known to be your best bet
6. Wifi is not slower than hardwired, my set-up is testament to that. = B.S. it is a known fact.
7. Yuo're right, we'll have to wait and see on this.
8. PS3 will also get GTA4 and a price drop eventually. = But not all possibly at the same time like the 360 can & there is a good chance will.
9. Games lke the ones you mentioned can also go to the PS3. = Nope, many of them are published by Microsoft.
10. The load times are much faster and theres still more space on the HDD than on the 360's. = The load times are no faster than the 360's and that's with the initial install.

Is that good enough for you to agree?

[DJSteel]

2. Ratchet and Clank, God of War, and I can think of atleast 6 others..
3. 32 players online...360 hasn't done it yet..
4. sales impact future considerations...i.e. VHS vs Betamax
6. WiFi is just as fast as most wireless networks allow on a homebased cable system..
8. GTA IV - it will be there..who cares when..

[Mikewarrior]

MGS3 is the most played PS2 online game right now and no platformer in MS's library past,present or future can compare to R&C = And no Sony game, can compare to HALO (MOST POPULAR GAME GENRA)... So your point?

Wait is there an Xbox Live title that can hold 32 players?? = Yeah, it's called Perfect Dark Zero

it's out there now and it's a viable alternative to buying the standalone. = Doesn't matter, it's not needed for games until proven.

.personal opinion..bluetooth is out there and strong... = So, it doesn't help the PS3 any more than Microsoft's wireless option.

cheaper than the Xbox 360 alternative.. = The PS3 is not cheaper, but keep trying to spin it.

it is proven = You have a PS3 to prove it's 99% B/C and runs those games properly?

what does that have to do with downloadable library that can be transferred between a PSP and PS2 = Old games don't make a NEW system better... NEW games do.

4 game ain't going make a dent in the Japanese Market = About 4 good exclusives for the PS3 won't help it sell over the 360 here in the U.S... Japan = #3 U.S. = #1

WWE SVR has the worst load times and it s a 360 title... = That's a developer issue, not the systems unlike the PS3.

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[DJSteel]

Halo is the most overrated POS..I bet there are more popular games out there than that..Hell Socom II had more online players than Halo...

PDZ..lol I don't know 32 people who own that POS..

neither is HD-DVD yet people have that...

Bluetooth is on different platforms..if you already have a Bluetooth headset you could use it for your PS3..while MS makes you buy the headset...

PS3's wifi = 0$.. Xbox wireless = 19.99 - 99.99

Here is the list of NON-COMPATIBLE PS2/PS1 games...
http://www.us.playstation.com/News/ConsumerAlerts/softwareTitles_75001.html

I got news for you about the japanese market and technology, if that is the way you think...

give me load issues with a PS3 game...

[DJSteel]

btw if old games don't matter..why is the XBLA so popular...98% of those titles are old..

[Mikewarrior]

btw if old games don't matter..why is the XBLA so popular...98% of those titles are old..

It's extra icing on the cake, sure... but it does not determine the advancement of a NEXT GEN system's price.

[DJSteel]

how many points you pay for pac man?? advancement of prices of console are pretty steady considering market inflation...

http://curmudgeongamer.com/imgdisplay.php3?shotfile=console-prices-absolute.png

[big isy]

1. One wire for VIDEO & SOUND = ANd no quality upgrade? ri-ight.
2. Not that many... You'll pay $360(US) in games for a $600(US) game console? = Thats your opinion, I think its plenty and the games are cheaper than what MS SRP's their titles at.
3. Yes, it's options are weak compared to LIVE = its not unified, big whoop, still has the same functionality
4. That still doesn't mean it will become standard... DVD/Digital distribution, remember? = Itss more likely to become the standard.
5. 1st party is known to be your best bet = not always, besides, its better to have a choice
6. B.S. it is a known fact. = Which is why my connection speed is on par with my wired connection speed?
7. Yuo're right, we'll have to wait and see on this
8. But not all possibly at the same time like the 360 can & there is a good chance will. =its a possibility not a fact.
9. Nope, many of them are published by Microsoft. = correct, but you seriosuly don't think there'll be Japanese games for SOny's machine?
10. The load times are much faster and theres still more space on the HDD than on the 360's. Oblivion says otherwise.

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[Mikewarrior]

1. One wire for VIDEO & SOUND = ANd no quality upgrade? ri-ight. = Not that a HUMAN can tell.. Go ahead and find somewhere that proves there is a visual difference that you can tell between Component & HDMI?
2. Not that many... You'll pay $360(US) in games for a $600(US) game console? = Thats your opinion, I think its plenty and the games are cheaper than what MS SRP's their titles at. = WRONG, All Sony 1st party games are $60 NEW here, most of Microsoft's are $50 NEW
3. Yes, it's options are weak compared to LIVE = its not unified, big whoop, still has the same functionality = It has voice problems, and many games don't even have voice at all among other things like friend invites from one game to another.
4. That still doesn't mean it will become standard... DVD/Digital distribution, remember? = Itss more likely to become the standard. = DVD is already the standard.
5. 1st party is known to be your best bet = not always, besides, its better to have a choice = Not when that choice causes problems and makes the product look bad.
6. B.S. it is a known fact. = Which is why my connection speed is on par with my wired connection speed? = Not always, you can't tell me there isn't any interference/slowdown.
7. Yuo're right, we'll have to wait and see on this
8. But not all possibly at the same time like the 360 can & there is a good chance will. =its a possibility not a fact. = Yeah, like many 3rd party exclusives staying exclusive DMC4 & MGS4 ring a bell?
9. Nope, many of them are published by Microsoft. = correct, but you seriosuly don't think there'll be Japanese games for SOny's machine? = I never said that, now did I?
10. The load times are much faster and theres still more space on the HDD than on the 360's. Oblivion says otherwise. = Is PS3's OBLIVION out? Or what about Rainbow Six:Vegas?

I hope that clears everything up.

[big isy]

lol, i love your answer's, its as if I insulted your mother or something. :lol:
Bottom line is I'm impressed with what I saw on the PS3, what I reckon the PS3 will achieve.

[DJSteel]

2. Crackdown was 59.99 and a MS title. I guarantee Halo 3 will 59.99..
3. Do you have a ps3 to prove this??
4. DVD-R/DVD+R
6. See my earlier post about this
8. Titles are become time exclusives...like GTA IV will release on the 360 first then move to the PS3..
10. PS3 Oblivion will have this extra dlc content on the disc NO EXTRA CHARGE.. same with RSV..

[Sirharper]

1. Nonsense HDMI is an improvement over Component. Why do you think MS will add it, because it's inferior?
2. How did you come up with that "most of MS's new are $50" bulllcrap? Most are $59.
3. You won't know until you try it.
4. BluRay is gaining ground everyday. Did you say cassettes were the standard when CD came out also?
5. What are you even taking about here, your point is incohearant.
6. Wired is always better than wireless.
7. BC on PS3 will almost certainly be better on PS3 than 360, but who cares it's not about the past.
8. We've been over why exclusives will be less likely a million times. Money.
9. More incohearant babble.
10. We will know once they are out.

[big isy]

GTAIV is actually releasing at the same time on both consoles. They get differing episodic content and thats about it.

[Mikewarrior]

2. Crackdown was 59.99 and a MS title. I guarantee Halo 3 will 59.99.. = It's published by Microsoft, but it's not a 1st party title. = 2nd party.
3. Do you have a ps3 to prove this?? = I know owners and it's a fact that COD3 doesn't have any voice during online play.
4. DVD-R/DVD+R = O.k. So?
6. See my earlier post about this = waste of time
8. Titles are become time exclusives...like GTA IV will release on the 360 first then move to the PS3.. = Actually it's said to release at the same time, but there is DL content coming to the 360.
10. PS3 Oblivion will have this extra dlc content on the disc NO EXTRA CHARGE.. same with RSV.. = Only "Knights of the Nine" = Something we've had for 4-months now, and not as many downloads will be available for the PS3 version like the 360 version. RAM is a issue for the PS3

Now do you agree?

[big isy]

Both platforms will be getting episodic content for GTA IV, it'll be different content for each one though.

[Mikewarrior]

Both platforms will be getting episodic content for GTA IV, it'll be different content for each one though.

Yeah, but I remember reading that the 360 is geting the DL content first.

[big isy]

No, there were no release dates mentioned, only that there would be two episodic contents available.

[DJSteel]

2. Bizzare Creations is independent why was PGR 3 49.99?? and what about Halo 3
3. ask blazsox
4. dual formats...like Blu Ray/HD-DVD..soon they have dual players like now
6. everything in a home network is capped...so even if there was a difference..it's minimal...
8. right an extra episode...not that big of a deal..
10. all the dlc besides shimmering isles will be on the disc... and what do you mean about ram being an issue

[DJSteel]

btw HDMI includes digital audio...DVI doesn't

[blazsox]

Ask me what about the PS3?

[big isy]

the blue tooth issue. You had any problems with that and voice online?

[blazsox]

I dont have a mic so I cant comment on that. I havent played online much. But connecting hasnt been a problem and I use wifi.