GAME: "Only two thirds of PS3s preordered"

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/227.html

Posted on March 13, 2007 by Alex Donaldson

GAME, Europe's biggest specialist game retailer is gearing up for one very profitable day for sales - the launch of Sony's new Playstation 3.

Charing £50 for a preorder in the UK in order to ensure you get a console on launch day, GAME is one of the few places that guarantees preordered customers a console on launch amid fears from many stores that there will be a huge shortage of the console.

Despite this, information has leaked from the GAME head offices that only two thirds of their PS3 allocation have been preordered, despite best attempts of staff in stores across Europe. One third of PS3 consoles remains free for people to pick up on the day under two weeks before launch.

"We've had a lot of interest in the console, mostly from PS2 owners looking to upgrade, but the price is putting many off," one store manager said. "It looks like you may be able to just walk in and pick one up without a preorder on launch day."

Yep, Not sold out like I said.

[big isy]

Every GAME store I went to sold out. That's 4 so I'm going by what I know.

[DJSteel]

Wait did the 360 sell out in Japan??

[big isy]

lol, no....this is just to counter my point in another thread where I said the PS3 broke pre-order records in 5 stores. It didn't break records in 5 stores but simply sold out. I was going by what I saw on the news and first hand experience by actually going in stores to try and pre-order it.

[Mikewarrior]

Every GAME store I went to sold out. That's 4 so I'm going by what I know.

Sure buddy... There is a direct quote from the company "GAME" proving that they have more PS3 systems to sell... If what you say is true (I doubt it, I think someone is lying) then the company "GAME" would just send more PS3 systems to those stores to sell.

Do you know the RETAIL business at all?

[Mikewarrior]

Wait did the 360 sell out in Japan??

This thread isn't about the 360 in Japan, now is it?

Get a clue man, get a CLUE!

[DJSteel]

how old are you Mike?

[DJSteel]

This thread isn't about the 360 in Japan, now is it?

Get a clue man, get a CLUE!

you bash the ps3 so much.. look in the mirror bud

[big isy]

Sure buddy... There is a direct quote from the company "GAME" proving that they have more PS3 systems to sell... If what you say is true (I doubt it, I think someone is lying) then the company "GAME" would just send more PS3 systems to those stores to sell.

Do you know the RETAIL business at all?

And this is why I argue with you so much. How dare you accuse me of lying when I've never been known to lie, at least knowingly before. And as for retail business, yo udo realise that companies send the bulk of the stock to areas that you know, actually require them? Maybe where I live the PS3 isn't in such a high demand?

Next time I'm in store I'll pick up a note :rolleyes:

[DJSteel]

is Mike from the UK??

[big isy]

is Mike from the UK??

PLEASE NO! (You know I kid Mike.)

[Sirharper]

This place is just another forum Mike should be banned from.

Why would he think he would know better than somebody that is actually there?

[Mikewarrior]

This place is just another forum Mike should be banned from.

Why would he think he would know better than somebody that is actually there?

Because common sense tells me to trust what this "GAME" company has to say than someone posting on the Internet.

If places were sold out of PS3s then there is no other places more important to have a larger amout of PS3 in stock... They (GAME) would simply truck more to the stores that have ZERO PS3's to sell, because they SOLD OUT... What do you not get?

It's called supply & demand... And they even said that they have plenty of supply.

[big isy]

Dude, do you even realise that they may have allocated more of their supplies to the stores I frequented after I went there? Its not as easy as you make it sound, with pre-orders you have to consider the total amount of consoles you're getting and then share 'em out to the local stores. From there you gotta work out which region is gonna require more and which will require less. Its a painstaking process which I'm sure someone out there has perfected but there's still huge gaps in the system. It can be days before supplies are allocated to a region that needs them desperately.

[Mikewarrior]

Dude, do you even realise that they may have allocated more of their supplies to the stores I frequented after I went there? Its not as easy as you make it sound, with pre-orders you have to consider the total amount of consoles you're getting and then share 'em out to the local stores. From there you gotta work out which region is gonna require more and which will require less. Its a painstaking process which I'm sure someone out there has perfected but there's still huge gaps in the system. It can be days before supplies are allocated to a region that needs them desperately.

No, it's not as difficult as you think it is... They truck the amount to the stores with the pre-sale numbers, and they even said that 1/3rd still isn't pre-sold... That means any store (You said 4 stores SOLD OUT) can NOT sell out of Pre-sales when the company itself has thousands upon thousands still left in inventory a week before launch.

[big isy]

Each store is allocated a designated number of consoles. Thats how it has always worked. Unless a store is hooked up to a network on which all the stores run, theres no way of knowing how many are available until you do a spot check. Alot of the stores in the US run a network that enables them to keep tabs of whats sold easily, hence the quick turnaround of produce. Here, we're still running shit through the phone. A store out of console allocations rings the main HQ and finds out how many they can snag from the total amount. HQ can only know the total amount at the end of the week.
This is why the UK's chart system is a complete shambles, theres no solid database to pull figures from.

[Mikewarrior]

Each store is allocated a designated number of consoles. Thats how it has always worked. Unless a store is hooked up to a network on which all the stores run, theres no way of knowing how many are available until you do a spot check. Alot of the stores in the US run a network that enables them to keep tabs of whats sold easily, hence the quick turnaround of produce. Here, we're still running shit through the phone. A store out of console allocations rings the main HQ and finds out how many they can snag from the total amount. HQ can only know the total amount at the end of the week.
This is why the UK's chart system is a complete shambles, theres no solid database to pull figures from.

So you live in a 3rd world country?:lol:



:lmao:


Just joking bro.

[DJSteel]

even they can be wrong with their articles..yet you put your belief into what they say... newspapers and mags always write retractions..

[big isy]

So you live in a 3rd world country?:lol:



:lmao:


Just joking bro.

lol, I also said 'alot of the US stores' meaning there's still some that haven't up their game, I guess those parts are areas the US simply forgot :lol:

[Mikewarrior]

even they can be wrong with their articles..yet you put your belief into what they say... newspapers and mags always write retractions..

Well the articles I'm talking about have yet to have any such thing... Actually, I usually can find multiple articles that come to the same conclusions, thus being factual.

[Sirharper]

lol, I also said 'alot of the US stores' meaning there's still some that haven't up their game, I guess those parts are areas the US simply forgot :lol:

I'll stop in and visit Jake (username here is Practorian) tomorrow and see if he'll come in here and post the PS3 stock situation at his EB store. What he will say though is that his store still has never had a PS3 just sitting on the shelf waiting to be bought. Every unit that comes in is already spoken for on a waiting list.

[Mikewarrior]

I'll stop in and visit Jake (username here is Practorian) tomorrow and see if he'll come in here and post the PS3 stock situation at his EB store. What he will say though is that his store still has never had a PS3 just sitting on the shelf waiting to be bought. Every unit that comes in is already spoken for on a waiting list.

I never said miracles don't happen.

[big isy]

You'll wanna retract your statement from the other thread then ;)

On that note, I have no idea how the system is doing over in the US besides what you guys tell me. I prefer t have first hand knowledge of a situation rather than settling for an article that's written by god knows who.

[Mikewarrior]

You'll wanna retract your statement from the other thread then ;)

LOL, I knew you would say that.:beer:

However, that would be a miracle of mega proportions. Also, I know for a fact that the PS3 is still not sold out over there and launch day is only 5 days away.

[Sirharper]

You'll wanna retract your statement from the other thread then ;)

On that note, I have no idea how the system is doing over in the US besides what you guys tell me. I prefer t have first hand knowledge of a situation rather than settling for an article that's written by god knows who.

Some places have it. Most do not.

[big isy]

8 days and it might not be sold out but it's definitely gonna give MS a run for its money. This is the best part of a consoles launch, the inevitable comparison of launch numbers.

[Mikewarrior]

Some places have it. Most do not.

That's not what most are saying on the boards, or websites.

[Sirharper]

That's not what most are saying on the boards, or websites.


Spend some more time in the real world then. What sites, if you're looking at places like unscleric.com that sure would explain a lot of things.

[Mikewarrior]

Spend some more time in the real world then. What sites, if you're looking at places like unscleric.com that sure would explain a lot of things.

Dude, get a clue... If Sony were selling like mad in Europe, it would be all over the net already, but it's not... WHY?

[Sirharper]

Selling like mad everywhere. it took 360 until July to sell 1.5 million units and Sony has done it before even taking any into Europe.

360 seemed rare to you because the supply was aweful.

[Mikewarrior]

Selling like mad everywhere. it took 360 until July to sell 1.5 million units and Sony has done it before even taking any into Europe.

Um, you just said the 360 supply was awful, now think about what you just said.

Also, can I get a link proving that it took the 360 until JULY of 2006 to sell 1.5 million?

[Sirharper]

If you are going to question it find a link proving it false. Thats how most of the free world's legal systems work. If you make a charge the burden of proof is on the accuser.

[Mikewarrior]

If you make a charge the burden of proof is on the accuser.

LOL, you were the one to charge the 360 as in only selling 1.5 million by JULY... It's you who needs to show the burden of proof, or you have no leg to stand on when you state stupid things.

[big isy]

Technically, Mike, you're the one accusing Sirharper of lying and providing false information.

[Mikewarrior]

Technically, Mike, you're the one accusing Sirharper of lying and providing false information.

Show me where I accused Sirharper of lying about those 360 numbers... Please post the quote that shows me saying it as such?

[big isy]

The fact that you asked him for a link shows your level of trust in him. You may not have said 'you're lying' in so many words but it definitely came across as though you were implying it.

[Sirharper]

Technically, Mike, you're the one accusing Sirharper of lying and providing false information.

LOL...don't you know by now you can never tell Mike he is wrong?

[Mikewarrior]

The fact that you asked him for a link shows your level of trust in him. You may not have said 'you're lying' in so many words but it definitely came across as though you were implying it.

You guys are a lot like Sony... You SPIN everything. I never once implied anything... It's just that Sirharper says things without links... How do I know if he's telling the truth or lying = That's the thing, I don't know if he is or isn't, so don't imply about me when you don't know what I am thinking.

[Mikewarrior]

LOL...don't you know by now you can never tell Mike he is wrong?

Telling me I'm wrong is any sorry excuse of a fools opinion, proving I'm wrong is the action of someone who is in the right... What one are you again?

[big isy]

You're right, I apologise I shouldn't have said you were implying that he's lying but you still have a lack of trust in him that resulted in you asking for a Link.

[Sirharper]

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

[Mikewarrior]

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

And it was you who accused the 360 of only selling 1.5 million by JULY... The burden of PROOF (Something you know nothing about) falls on you!

[big isy]

for the love of god! I'll frikkin do it then :irked:
:lol:
Gimme a couple minutes and I'll find something to prove something one way or another lol.
I may have to use my l33t maths skills ;)

[big isy]

Here ya go now shut the hell up :lol:

Launch comparisons (http://www.vgcharts.org/aconscomps.php?name1=PS3&name2=X360&type=0&align=0)

The PS3 started off poorer than the 360 but rose significantly. Also note that this is just the US chart. I'm sure you can work out how to find the Japanese stuff :rolleyes:

[Sirharper]

The source is quite dubious but if you did take those numbers it took 360 until mid-April to hit 1.5 million while PS3 exceeded 1.5 million before March and WITHOUT Europe even being in the equasion.

[Mikewarrior]

The source is quite dubious but if you did take those numbers it took 360 until mid-April to hit 1.5 million.

Wow, almost a 4-month difference... So you are wrong as always.

[big isy]

There's no fully reliable source for consoles sold worldwide. It's pretty much an estimate game.
VGcharts is the most reliable, which isn't really saying much lol.

[Mikewarrior]

There's no fully reliable source for consoles sold worldwide. It's pretty much an estimate game.

No, they are using real NPD numbers that have already came out... Thanks for proving Sirharper wrong.

[Sirharper]

There's no fully reliable source for consoles sold worldwide. It's pretty much an estimate game.
VGcharts is the most reliable, which isn't really saying much lol.

Thats right even the often touted NPD report was proven inaccurate.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/03/holiday-2006-console-sales-figures-erroneous/

[big isy]

Actually, Sir's point was that the PS3 is selling better than the 360 did when it launched. But that's me just assuming.

And I know for a fact that it is impossible to know the number of consoles sold due to the unreliability of the system. Certain regions handle things in different ways.

[Sirharper]

No, they are using real NPD numbers that have already came out... Thanks for proving Sirharper wrong.

See my post above, or this one...

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=14842

NPD has been caught misreporting numbers.

[Sirharper]

That is correct Biggie, my point was that no matter how poorly Mike would like to state PS3 sales they have greatly outpaced 360 sales measured in time from launch.

[Mikewarrior]

Actually, Sir's point was that the PS3 is selling better than the 360 did when it launched. But that's me just assuming.

Funny how you only see that when he stated it took until JULY for the 360 to reach 1.5 million = Something (This part of the discussion was about) and you can go back to look at my posts.

Thanks for proving him wrong about that very thing… I knew better.

[Mikewarrior]

That is correct Biggie, my point was that no matter how poorly Mike would like to state PS3 sales they have greatly outpaced 360 sales measured in time from launch.

Common sense dude, and you even stated it = Availability, but you know that isn't what started this part of the discussion.

[Sirharper]

Now you're backpedaling.

[Mikewarrior]

Now you're backpedaling.

Nope, you are WRONG again.

[Mikewarrior]

it took 360 until July to sell 1.5 million units

Who said that?

[Sirharper]

Go play some games kid, you might learn something about 360.

[Sirharper]

Who said that?

I should have said in the US. That is where I took the number from.

[big isy]

Mike's right in that Sirharper did say July but I guess I was the only one who realised his point was the PS3 had sold more than the 360.

And surely even you can see that the PS3 has sold significantly more than the 360 in its launch period.

[Mikewarrior]

Go play some games kid, you might learn something about 360.

LOL, your ignorance defies logic.

[Sirharper]

Logic is something you'd know nothing about.

[Mikewarrior]

Mike's right in that Sirharper did say July but I guess I was the only one who realised his point was the PS3 had sold more than the 360.

And surely even you can see that the PS3 has sold significantly more than the 360 in its launch period.

Yeah, the 360 had issues for 6-months before Microsoft could get supplies rolling... A simple understanding is that Sony is a hardware company, thus they have more manufacturing plants than Microsoft had.

Microsoft grossly underestimated demand, and had chip issues as well.

[Mikewarrior]

Logic is something you'd know nothing about.

Now you are reaching.

[big isy]

Even though Sony had significantly lower launch consoles? (80,000 for Japan)
I think MS had the upper hand when it came to Hardware.

[Sirharper]

Now you are reaching.

Just like every time you've questioned someone's intelligence that disagrees with you?

[Sirharper]

Yeah, the 360 had issues for 6-months before Microsoft could get supplies rolling... A simple understanding is that Sony is a hardware company, thus they have more manufacturing plants than Microsoft had.

Microsoft grossly underestimated demand, and had chip issues as well.

I knew eventually we'd agree on something.

[big isy]

Where's a mod when you need 'em? :lol:
You guys need to quit the attacking and get back on topic, please.

[Mikewarrior]

Just like every time you've questioned someone's intelligence that disagrees with you?

It's more like unintelligent people like you know nothing of what I say, but you have to throw your stupidity in to be heard.

[Mikewarrior]

Where's a mod when you need 'em? :lol:
You guys need to quit the attacking and get back on topic, please.

Very true... So I have gave multiple links saying that the PS3 is not selling all that well, or not even selling out.

It has to be the price and lack of AAA games.

[big isy]

But its selling better than the 360 so there's not really a huge deal.

[Mikewarrior]

But its selling better than the 360 so there's not really a huge deal.

Actually if you were to compare PS3 NOW to 360 NOW... In the U.S of A. you would know that the 360 is outselling the PS3 ALL 3 months of it's launch with the NPD numbers... So how is it selling good in stores like some people say?

Is a newly launched system supposed to sell less than a year+ old one?

[big isy]

I was referring to launch comparisons. I have little doubt the 360 would sell more for a short while, the PS3 needs to release in all major regions before devs could even think of creating or releasing games on it so as to maximise their profit intake.

[Mikewarrior]

I was referring to launch comparisons. I have little doubt the 360 would sell more for a short while, the PS3 needs to release in all major regions before devs could even think of creating or releasing games on it so as to maximise their profit intake.

We'll see if the PS3 will have as many million sellers as the 360 already does... I bet not.

Do you want to take that bet?

[big isy]

I'm not a betting man.
I reckon in the same amount of time as the 360 has been released the PS3 will have either closed the gap significantly or completely overtaken the 360. Although, it needs to be remembered that the PS3 still hasn't been released in Europe which is a valuable asset to have.

[Mikewarrior]

I'm not a betting man.
I reckon in the same amount of time as the 360 has been released the PS3 will have either closed the gap significantly or completely overtaken the 360. Although, it needs to be remembered that the PS3 still hasn't been released in Europe which is a valuable asset to have.

http://forums.xbox.com/1/10970315/ShowPost.aspx#10970315

If that link is true... I'm still laughing at Sony... Now 4 months in a row.

[big isy]

its a post on xbox.com, I couldn't see anything other than a poster giving what seems is a random figure.

[Mikewarrior]

its a post on xbox.com, I couldn't see anything other than a poster giving what seems is a random figure.

We'll see tomorrow, when I get the real NPD figures... We'll see who's right again.

[big isy]

Note how I said 'what seems'?
It means we have to wait for the official word before getting riled up.

[big isy]

So the guy provides a link to kotaku.com but there's nothing on there about sales figures? I found an interesting article on Mark Rein so all is not lost I suppose.

[DJSteel]

We'll see tomorrow, when I get the real NPD figures... We'll see who's right again.


better yet..who cares..