MS kills OXM's points program

[Sirharper]

Taken from page 10 of the April 2007 issue of OXM:

If you've checked out this month's disc, you're probably wondering what the heck happened to your old OXM points.

[yes, I am actually, I had 12,000 of them]

The truth is, and this might hurt - they're gone. Please know that this wasn't out intent from the beginning. In fact, we had a big, bold plan to award juicy Xbox 360 Gamerscore Achievements to you as your points grew throughout the year.

[yes, some of us were secretly aware of that]

ULTIMATELY, WE RAN INTO A RIDICULOUS NUMBER OF SNAFUS AND MICROSOFT NIXED OUR PLAN.

[big isy]

I have no idea what this is about so could someone elaborate? (Be nice, I'm not from the U.S ;) )

[Sirharper]

About a year ago Official Xbox Magazine began included a points systems for playing the demo games, watching the videos and ads, and answering questionares contained on the monthly disc.

Each disc had 1000 points that once earned would unlock a secret section of the disc and award things like gamerpicts, etc.

It was understood that one day those amassed points would earn other rewards and benefits.

MS backed out of the agreement and that decision forced OXM to abandon the points system and create a new system with some silly OXM game as the center of the program.

[big isy]

wow, bad MS. thnx for the filler.

[DeaconBlade]

guess i'll have to ask Ryan and the guys about this.

[Sirharper]

They seemed quite openly angry about it, they were not shy in making it known MS jerked them around.

[big isy]

My thoughts;
If this is true and Microsoft backed out on an agreement, they suck. But I'm guessing theres more to it than just that. Maybe OXM wanted to take the points system in a different direction to what MS had intended. I dunno, I just think, from what I've heard, MS were in the wrong to back-pedal on an agreement.

[die coward]

Has anyone heard of OXMU? The OXM universe? They want to put Gamerscore of that too.

[Sirharper]

OXM Universe is what they had to resort to after MS pulled the rug out from under them.

It's like a mini-game on the disc. You still get points for performing functions on the disc but now the points are only good for activities within the mini-game.

There is no gamerscore involved.

[Mikewarrior]

Is there any links to this story?

You/we can't be mad at Microsoft unless we know the full details.

[big isy]

If oxm wrote the article in their mag then I doubt there'd be any link to it as scans of magazines are not allowed. There may be something on the OXM website though? Does OXM US even have a website?

[Mikewarrior]

If oxm wrote the article in their mag then I doubt there'd be any link to it as scans of magazines are not allowed. There may be something on the OXM website though? Does OXM US even have a website?

I don't think so... And reading what OXM has to say about the OXM point program is a little one-sided.

I'll wait for all the info to come before I show any sign of unhappiness towards Microsoft on this subject.

[Sirharper]

Is there any links to this story?

You/we can't be mad at Microsoft unless we know the full details.

As I clearly stated...

Page 10 of the April 2007 issue of OXM. They do not make their paid publication free to read on the web.

[Sirharper]

I don't think so... And reading what OXM has to say about the OXM point program is a little one-sided.

I'll wait for all the info to come before I show any sign of unhappiness towards Microsoft on this subject.

LOL...an MS apologist to the end.

What possible reason would they have to misreport the fact in a publication that would expose them to liable?

Keep in mind this is OFFICIAL Xbox Magazine we are talking about here.

[Mikewarrior]

LOL...an MS apologist to the end.

What possible reason would they have to misreport the fact in a publication that would expose them to liable?

Keep in mind this is OFFICIAL Xbox Magazine we are talking about here.

I'm not apologizing for anyone here.. I just would like to know all the facts before blaming/hating Microsoft... You do realize that they can have a very good reason why they changed their mind about this... Don't you?

[big isy]

Mike, I think what you need to see is through your other posts you've been quick to point out the faults of other consoles/company's but with Microsoft you give them the benefit of the doubt. That's not really fair, mate.

[Kinjutsumaru]

I wasn't supposed to say anything, but Mike is actually an undercover Microsoft employee.

I'm sorry Mike, I didn't mean to blow your cover.

[big isy]

ah man, that was pretty funny, I'd karma you but it seems I gotta spread the love.

[Twylyght Myst]

Hmm, I was kinda wondering what happened to my OXM points...

Acctually I noticed that they reset in january but never really bothered to ask, I just started over... :flower:

[Mikewarrior]

Mike, I think what you need to see is through your other posts you've been quick to point out the faults of other consoles/company's but with Microsoft you give them the benefit of the doubt. That's not really fair, mate.

That's because I don't know that facts about this issue... where as the issues I have about Sony are proven.

Big difference, bro.

[Sirharper]

LOL

...just LOL

[blazsox]

I liked the point system as well. But this gives me a reason to cancel my subscription finally because the discs were a joke in terms of content. All the demos were on the Marketplace, the videos were nothing new, and the mag itself has gone down in quality.

Ever since Mike Price came and went the mag has sucked. God I hated that guy.

[Sirharper]

I agree with the comment but they seem to have ramped things up now that they have abandoned the points system. I'll stick with them for now knowing it was MS's fault and not theirs.

[blazsox]

I'll still ride out my current subscription, no reason to waste the money already spent. But Ive been wanting to give them up for a couple years now. I stuck with them for the 360 because I thought OXM would have some exclusive demos of its own, but so far I've see nothing exclusive on the disc.

[Sirharper]

Really? To me it seems like I've seen some exclusive stuff on the OXM discs.

[big isy]

The UK version is pretty good, but its all stuff that's readily available on the virtual highways. I never subscribed to them but I'd pick up the odd issue whenever I thought there may be something interesting in them. However, their forums are pretty cool. Not as fanboyish as you'd expect.

[big isy]

That's because I don't know that facts about this issue... where as the issues I have about Sony are proven.

Big difference, bro.

sirharper just told you everything. What else can he do to prove it? Buy the issue and read the article yourself.

[Mikewarrior]

sirharper just told you everything. What else can he do to prove it? Buy the issue and read the article yourself.

Yeah, believe someone who can somehow find fault in Microsoft but never in Sony who is 10x worse?

You think I'll take his word on anything? He is nothing but a hater of everyone who doesn't love Sony, and calls everyone FANBOY who doesn't. However, I will give respect to Sony (You have even seen it) when they do good, and I will also be upset at Microsoft when they do something very wrong (You've seen that also). See, Harper is a hater... Microsoft can do 99 things right out of 100, but to Harper that one thing bad he'll HARP on (SirHARPER anyone?)... Whereas Sony can do 9 things wrong out of 10 and you won't hear a peep out of him complaining about it, quite possibly somehow trying to SPIN it to defend his Sony admiration. His info is worthless to me.

[big isy]

See, if I substitute Harpers name for yours in the post you just put down, I completely agree :lol:

[Mikewarrior]

See, if I substitute Harpers name for yours in the post you just put down, I completely agree :lol:

Then you are letting your emotions cloud your own mind/judgments... See references to the positive things I've said about Sony in the "HOME" thread & the "LittleBigWorld" thread.

Btw, I am not the one who calls names (FANBOY, for example) or buys product that I constantly show disappointment with... That's Sirharping all the time.

[big isy]

I would have thought the :lol: would show you that I was being humorous :rolleyes:

All I'm saying is that MS can mess up, they're not a perfect company.

[Mikewarrior]

I would have thought the :lol: would show you that I was being humorous :rolleyes:

All I'm saying is that MS can mess up, they're not a perfect company.

That's true, and go ask Deacon if I was hard on Microsoft way back when... I'm sure he remembers and would vouch for it's truth. However, people can't deny that Sony has screwed up & lied about the PS3 much, MUCH more than Microsoft has done with the 360. Also, many of those Sony lies were blatant lies... there was no mistakes about them.

[big isy]

Agreed, but you gotta judge them all by the same standard.

[Mikewarrior]

Agreed, but you gotta judge them all by the same standard.

One is the lesser of the two evils when it come to gaming... I'll always support the lesser and would never support the worse one by buying their product.

[big isy]

Why support any evils? ;)

[Mikewarrior]

Why support any evils? ;)

You know what I mean. :^P

[big isy]

lol, yeah I get what you're saying. Personally, i think both companies are as bad as each other. even though SOny get more of the aggro than MS.

[Mikewarrior]

Personally, i think both companies are as bad as each other.

I see it different... Microsoft isn't the ones who helped to crush SEGA and tried to rape Nintendo of their game funds, like Sony did.

[Sirharper]

So couldn't you then say MS tried to rape Sony by stealing Rockstar and buying up small studios and destroying them?

Thats more acceptible to you when the maker you support is doing the raping isn't it?

[Mikewarrior]

So couldn't you then say MS tried to rape Sony by stealing Rockstar and buying up small studios and destroying them?

Thats more acceptible to you when the maker you support is doing the raping isn't it?

You're not very bright are you?

Microsoft didn't STEAL Rockstar (Good word you used there, buddy) and for your information Sony has bought up more small developers than Microsoft has... You just had to show your ignorance again... didn't you?

[Mikewarrior]

Btw... You tell me how many small studios has Microsoft bought & destroyed?

[big isy]

SEGA died through very little console support and the Nintendo thing was a big step in bringing Ninty back down to earth after they got all big-headed.

[Sirharper]

Name one.

You saying so doesn't make it so kid. In fact, we can just add that to the endless list of things you're wrong about. Look around, you've become the joke of yet another forum. Nobody agrees with you. The one other person that would agree with you isn't even coming to your aid.

Now stop ruining my thread with your mindless babble.

[Sirharper]

Btw... You tell me how many small studios has Microsoft bought & destroyed?

The one most commonly cited is Rare.

[Mikewarrior]

SEGA died through very little console support = Yes, because EA & Sony had a thing together & EA didsn't like SEGA's 2K competition.

and the Nintendo thing was a big step in bringing Ninty back down to earth after they got all big-headed. - No, that came long after... Think N64 cartridge games that cost developers a lot of money per unit

...

[Sirharper]

LOL...here we go with EA now.

You're such a cliche.

[big isy]

...

Weren't the N64 and PSone released at roughly the same time, well, in the same generation?

[Mikewarrior]

The one most commonly cited is Rare.

That goes to show what you know.. First of all RARE isn't a small development house (Look it up) and second... RARE was losing people back when Nintendo still owned a large % of them. For you to think Kameo & Viva Piñata are not quality, is your own feelings to deal with... maybe you'll like Genji better, it does have the Sony brand behind it.

[Mikewarrior]

Weren't the N64 and PSone released at roughly the same time, well, in the same generation?

The PsONE came long after the Superfamicom CD based system.

[Sirharper]

I loved Viva Pinata, but it died a quick death.

Even OXM has been slaughtering Rare in the ratings lately.

[big isy]

The PsONE came long after the Superfamicom CD based system.

So which system was the one that both Sony and Nintendo worked on? (I genuinely don't know, I just played the games and ignored the politics)

[Mikewarrior]

I loved Viva Pinata, but it died a quick death.

Even OXM has been slaughtering Rare in the ratings lately.

OXM has also turned into crap... Plus ratings are good for info, bad for believing in.

[Sirharper]

You know what Mike I just realized something. Your gamerscore is close to TEN TIMES less than mine.

I'll tell you what sport, spend more time like playing games and less time talking about them and maybe you'd have some credibility. Possible but I doubt it.

[Mikewarrior]

So which system was the one that both Sony and Nintendo worked on? (I genuinely don't know, I just played the games and ignored the politics)

It was the CD based system for the U.S. known SuperNintendo (Superfamicom in Japan)... Sony wrote up a contract that had a cleverly hidden clause that all Nintendo CD based games were 100% Sony controlled, as in total cash sales.

Good thing Nintendo saw that at the last second, and dropped them... Sony was also planning a completely separate system (PsONE) behind Nintendo's back while working with them... Sony was just using Nintendo as the doormat to work their way into gaming.

[Mikewarrior]

You know what Mike I just realized something. Your gamerscore is close to TEN TIMES less than mine.

I'll tell you what sport, spend more time like playing games and less time talking about them and maybe you'd have some credibility. Possible but I doubt it.

I'm not a gamescore whore, and I also only BUY good games, unless they are very cheap. You on the other hand make no sense... All you do is *****, but you somehow manage to game a Hell of a lot on the very thing you ***** about. Twoface anyone?

[big isy]

Super Famicom was the SNES, cartiridge based.

[Mikewarrior]

Super Famicom was the SNES, cartiridge based.

Yes, I know... It was to connect onto it, like the SEGA CD (Sony) did for the Genesis.

[big isy]

Okay, I don't recall that at all. From what I remember Nintendo agreed to develop an add-on with Sony and afraid Sony would get a high profit they cancelled that and went with philips.

[Mikewarrior]

Okay, I don't recall that at all. From what I remember Nintendo agreed to develop an add-on with Sony and afraid Sony would get a high profit they cancelled that and went with philips.

Sony was doing all they could to get their foot in the door and to screw Nintendo at the same time... They did that and helped SEGA get hurt also.

[big isy]

What I found out, there was a clause in the contract that resulted in Sony getting the profits from the software sales. Nintendo saw this and then contracted Philips. Philips and Nintendo then worked together and Philips came up with the CD-i. All software profits went to Nintendo, even though the CD-i was solely Philips property, so the issue of Sony screwing Nintendo over is kinda retarded when Nintendo did the exact same (and then some) to Philips.

[Mikewarrior]

What I found out, there was a clause in the contract that resulted in Sony getting the profits from the software sales. Nintendo saw this and then contracted Philips. Philips and Nintendo then worked together and Philips came up with the CD-i. All software profits went to Nintendo, even though the CD-i was solely Philips property, so the issue of Sony screwing Nintendo over is kinda retarded when Nintendo did the exact same (and then some) to Philips.

The CD-i isn't a part of Nintendo... By Nintendo supporting the CD-i with some of their IP's is something Nintendo didn't have to do, but they did it FOR Phillips to help their CD-i sell. Nintendo didn't screw anyone over but themselves by supporting the CD-i... They deserved every penny they got from their IP's and then some... Phillips didn't.

[big isy]

Philips were just as bad though. The CD-i was worked on without Nintendo knowing and once word got out, Philips were fudged. All of 'em are just as bad as each other. Its just how business is.
As for the Ip's, Nintendo offered their Ip's and Philips agreed but they developed the actual games, hence the poor quality and lack of sales. That and a Japanese company working with a Western company was bad news in Japan.

[Sirharper]

I'm not a gamescore whore, and I also only BUY good games, unless they are very cheap. You on the other hand make no sense... All you do is *****, but you somehow manage to game a Hell of a lot on the very thing you ***** about. Twoface anyone?


No dipshit. That makes me QUALIFIED!

360 is the only console I own and play, there is where my alligence lies. So if I say something less flattering about it if must be true.

You make no sense whatsoever. You think owning a console means you must defend it to the death no matter what. If you don't know how stupid that makes you then the only thing that would knock some sense into you is a dive off a 50-story building. Either way though the community is better for it.

[Twylyght Myst]

It is getting a little heated in here so I am going to lock the thread down.

For now *Happy Gaming* everyone! :flower: