PS3 still not "SOLD OUT" in the EUROPE???

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2007/03/europe-at-war-midlands-are-secure.html#comments

WTF, PS3 comes out this month??? Wasn't the 360 sold out there way before it was launched?

[Sirharper]

Yes, for the < 100,000 units all of Europe got. See the difference?

[Mikewarrior]

Yes, for the < 100,000 units all of Europe got. See the difference?

No, I don't.

[Sirharper]

I didn't expect you would.

Sony will have 5x more units to launch with in Europe than 360 did.

[Mikewarrior]

I didn't expect you would.

Sony will have 5x more units to launch with in Europe than 360 did.

Yeah, but don't they have 10x the fan-base?

[big isy]

PS3 isn't selling out in Europe because unlike Nintendo and Microsoft, it's meeting demands head-on.
Also, ukpresistance has been known to only give one side of the argument (visit the uk oxm forums and you'll see what I mean ;) )

[Mikewarrior]

PS3 isn't selling out in Europe because unlike Nintendo and Microsoft, it's meeting demands head-on.

No, they really are not... It's just that the system is not selling out there like it didn't in the U.S. & Japan.

[big isy]

lol, I loathe these debates.

I can confirm that the 5 stores in my town (Bradford, around eighth largest city in the UK) that are games specialists have no more PS3's within the first shipment.
That being said, there are still many stores that have the console available but you have to bear in mind that there are more consoles (last I heard triple the Wii launch supply) coming in.

[Sirharper]

Yeah, but don't they have 10x the fan-base?

No it was almost exactly 5x.

27 million vs. 105 million.

[Mikewarrior]

That being said, there are still many stores that have the console available but you have to bear in mind that there are more consoles (last I heard triple the Wii launch supply) coming in.

Dude, what more can I say... The PS3 did NOT sell out in the U.S. & Japan before launch with a limited shipment... That should tell you something right there. Believe Store people who want to hype the system to sell and/or Sony's BS all you want, but I'm telling you... It's not the truth. If Sony had a lot more PS3 numbers to give to Europe's launch, you know damn well that they would be hyping it to death.. But somehow they are not, why?

[Mikewarrior]

No it was almost exactly 5x.

27 million vs. 105 million.

That's TOTAL = Not in EUROPE... Please understand.

[Sirharper]

No, they really are not... It's just that the system is not selling out there like it didn't in the U.S. & Japan.

More from the world of fanboy dreamland.

If demand was so low as people like you claim then why did it take until the end of Feb for CC and BB to have units to sell on their web sites?

Regional pockets of in-stock units aside most of North America still has empty shelves. That is dispite the fact that PS3 has sold 50% more units than 360 did at the same point last year. Demand only seems low to you because it took MS until June to stock units in any kind of numbers. (see Feb 2007 OXM for citation)

[Sirharper]

That's TOTAL = Not in EUROPE... Please understand.
You said fanbase, no clarification of where.

[Mikewarrior]

More from the world of fanboy dreamland.

If demand was so low as people like you claim then why did it take until the end of Feb for CC and BB to have units to sell on their web sites?

Regional pockets of in-stock units aside most of North America still has empty shelves. That is dispite the fact that PS3 has sold 50% more units than 360 did at the same point last year. Demand only seems low to you because it took MS until June to stock units in any kind of numbers. (see Feb 2007 OXM for citation)

Sorry, but you are wrong... I could have bought a PS3 from my Costco & other stores several times before Christmas... Many PS3 systems were returned. Six (count them 6) PS3's were sitting upfront at the registers for DAYS, yes DAYS at my Costco until they sold. The first day they were available to buy (Launch) it took over 2 hours to sell out of ONE pallet of PS3 systems... During 360's launch we had TWO pallets of 360 systems and once we opened, the LINE waiting outside was far longer than we had 360 systems available.

[Mikewarrior]

You said fanbase, no clarification of where.

Well I think this thread has EUROPE in the title.

[Sirharper]

Sorry, but you are wrong... I could have bought a PS3 from my Costco & other stores several times before Christmas... Many PS3 systems were returned. Six (count them 6) PS3's were sitting upfront at the registers for DAYS, yes DAYS at my Costco until they sold. The first day they were available to buy (Launch) it took over 2 hours to sell out of ONE pallet of PS3 systems... During 360's launch we had TWO pallets of 360 systems and once we opened, the LINE waiting outside was far longer than we had 360 systems available.

So therefore the situation at your Costco is a direct example what what is happening everywhere else?

[Mikewarrior]

So therefore the situation at your Costco is a direct example what what is happening everywhere else?

Funny how I also said other stores... Yet you ignore that part.

[Sirharper]

Here is the current scene at my local Target.

A working PS3 next to a broken 360.

(0) PS3's in stock vs. (4) 360's sitting idle.

Now if I used fanboy logic I would claim the following...

a) 360's are all broken
b) nobody wants 360's because there are some in stock

Thank god I'm not a fanboy then. I've seen firsthand how it has destroyed the lives of a few less fortunate individuals.

[big isy]

Dude, what more can I say... The PS3 did NOT sell out in the U.S. & Japan before launch with a limited shipment... That should tell you something right there. Believe Store people who want to hype the system to sell and/or Sony's BS all you want, but I'm telling you... It's not the truth. If Sony had a lot more PS3 numbers to give to Europe's launch, you know damn well that they would be hyping it to death.. But somehow they are not, why?

I believe this thread has Europe in the title, like you mentioned to Sir Harper, why the talk of US and Japan? :)

The situation is a lot different to where it was when the PS3 launched in the US and Japan, alot of negativity was surrounding the console and things were said that damaged the sale of the console. Now its different with talk of Playstation HOME and more importantly an emphasis on treating Europe the same as any other region, something MS thinks it doesn't need to do.

About the believing store staff, don't you work in Costco? ;)

[Mikewarrior]

I believe this thread has Europe in the title, like you mentioned to Sir Harper, why the talk of US and Japan? :) - It was an example unlike his total sales numbers

The situation is a lot different to where it was when the PS3 launched in the US and Japan, alot of negativity was surrounding the console and things were said that damaged the sale of the console. Now its different with talk of Playstation HOME and more importantly an emphasis on treating Europe the same as any other region, something MS thinks it doesn't need to do. - What, are you kidding... First Sony didn't launch the PS3 until 6-months after the U.S. launch, sony is also charging an arm & a leg for the system that DOESN'T have the PS2 B/C chipset in it like the Japanese & U.S. versions have. Good luck on having that 100% B/C like Sony told you guys.

About the believing store staff, don't you work in Costco? ;) - Yes, but unlike them, I am not trying to hype you to buy something from my store.

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[Mikewarrior]

Here is the current scene at my local Target.

A working PS3 next to a broken 360.

(0) PS3's in stock vs. (4) 360's sitting idle.

Now if I used fanboy logic I would claim the following...

a) 360's are all broken
b) nobody wants 360's because there are some in stock

Thank god I'm not a fanboy then. I've seen firsthand how it has destroyed the lives of a few less fortunate individuals.

First of all, that 360 looks OFF not broken... Where are the RED lights.

Also, were you even on the internet during the time the PS3 launched in the U.S. & Japan... It was proven by many to NOT sell out... Now get real!

[DeaconBlade]

why is the PS3 so big?

[big isy]

No, you'd hype the 360 :lol:
The system launched 6 months later for a reason, to meet demands, and it's looking good for them.
The pricing is something I complained greatly about before looking into it. The sad fact is everything we buy is more expensive due to the high import tax. From t.v's and washing machines to gaming consoles and laptops, its all expensive.
The chipset issue is something that Sony are introducing into the US and Japan aswell. Its to reduce the cost of the machine fractionally, it won't see a price decrease unit to unit but in the whole, it'll save Sony a bunch. As for the 100% BC, so long as I get my God of War II fix I'm good. I buy consoles for their games, not their predecessors.
SO, if anyone should be complaining about price, it'd be me but I'm much wiser now (yes, hard to believe) and understand exactly how the import system here works.

[Mikewarrior]

why is the PS3 so big?

The FAN & a internal power unit.:evillaugh:

[Sirharper]

First of all, that 360 looks OFF not broken... Where are the RED lights.

Also, were you even on the internet during the time the PS3 launched in the U.S. & Japan... It was proven by many to NOT sell out... Now get real!

Nope...broken. The cameraphone didn't pick up the red lights very well.

Wake up and smell reality kid. CC and BB (the big 2) didn't offer PS3's on their sites until last month Because demand did not allow it. Contrast this with me buying my second 360 on BB's site on Dec 18 2005 (the infamous "relaunch" day).

[Mikewarrior]

SO, if anyone should be complaining about price, it'd be me but I'm much wiser now (yes, hard to believe) and understand exactly how the import system here works.

So why is it soooo much more for the PS3 than the 360, when it's now been proven that it's same games are not better than the 360 versions?

Are HD movies that important to you, or is it the 5 or so great exclusive games that MAY happen on the system?

I'm trying to understand this Sony lies but I still love & support them philosophy.

[Sirharper]

The FAN & a internal power unit.:evillaugh:


PS3 produces less heat.

Add the size of that stupid 360 power brick and the surface area of 360 is 15% larger.

Stupid people will easily fall for simple trick I guess.

[Sirharper]

"A man will never understand an issue if his fanboy mentality depends on his not understanding it."

- Sirharper 2007

[Mikewarrior]

Nope...broken. The cameraphone didn't pick up the red lights very well.

Wake up and smell reality kid. CC and BB (the big 2) didn't offer PS3's on their sites until last month Because demand did not allow it. Contrast this with me buying my second 360 on BB's site on Dec 18 2005 (the infamous "relaunch" day).

Months ago, I saw two PS3s at Circuit City and asked the clerk if they had anymore in the back.. She said yes. At gamestop, they have had PS3 systems available for months now, and yes I asked them do they get a lot of shipments, and he said no... They have been sitting there.

[Mikewarrior]

"A man will never understand an issue if his fanboy mentality depends on his not understanding it."

- Sirharper 2007

A hater of a fanboy is always worse than a fanboy.

[big isy]

You're really trying my patience now, I've explained multiple times why I think Sonys machine (note: Not Sony themselves) appeal to me.

I like the games available on their console. I like the idea of not having to pay anything to play online. I like the notion of a Blu-ray player even though I'm not a movie buff. I also know just how much tech is under the hood. You're right, the games as of now have been largely parallel but I have no doubt that there'll be a variation soon.
The whole Sony lies and I still love them philosophy does not exist here, I simply appreciate good technology when I see it. I'm not a Sony fan and never will be. In tat same vein I'm not a Microsoft fan and nor will I ever be.
Why can you not accept that someone has a differing view to you? I appreciate that you don't like the PS3, but to get confused when I say its a great machine is mind-boggling to say the least.

[Sirharper]

A hater of a fanboy is always worse than a fanboy.

Yeah, cutting through emotional bullshit is always a hated trait isn't it?

[Sirharper]

Just for the record....

[Mikewarrior]

http://360advocate.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=4171144

Perfect... I wanted you to show that. :grinking:

It's sad for Sony really, because at the time I really thought the PS3 would sell a lot better in the U.S. & Japan during it's first 6-months after launch. I was wrong with that analysis, the 360 is still outselling it every month here in the U.S.

[Sirharper]

The problem for you though is you are wrong about most everything. This has not gone unnoticed in the community.

[Mikewarrior]

The problem for you though is you are wrong about most everything. This has not gone unnoticed in the community.

Well then why are you arguing with me, if you know I'm so wrong?

Btw, show me those U.S. sales numbers for the PS3 and 360 during the same time?

[Sirharper]

No dude...I own fanbois, not argue with them. You can't debate somebody ruled by emotion. It's like debating Jesus with a bible thumper. You just can't do it.

[Mikewarrior]

You're really trying my patience now, I've explained multiple times why I think Sonys machine (note: Not Sony themselves) appeal to me.

I like the games available on their console. I like the idea of not having to pay anything to play online. I like the notion of a Blu-ray player even though I'm not a movie buff. I also know just how much tech is under the hood. You're right, the games as of now have been largely parallel but I have no doubt that there'll be a variation soon.

The PS3 will never be as good a gaming console in terms of graphics or game ability... The 360 has more available RAM for the developers to use and it has a much better GPU and it's CPU is gaming specific... Unlike the calculating CELL.

You like the games available on their consoles (Past)... You do realize that 99% of the games TODAY will be on both systems, so you are paying a lot of money to get that short term servers/FREE online, few GREAT exclusive games & to see HD movies from a Blu-Ray disc for a high cost.

Sorry, I can’t understand that kind of thinking.

[Mikewarrior]

No dude...I own fanbois, not argue with them. You can't debate somebody ruled by emotion. It's like debating Jesus with a bible thumper. You just can't do it.

Sorry, you don't own anything but your own thoughts... By you having a site up about fanboys just proves you are in haters denial. It's you who are worse than the problem itself.

[big isy]

The PS3 will never be as good a gaming console in terms of graphics or game ability... The 360 has more available RAM for the developers to use and it has a much better GPU and it's CPU is gaming specific... Unlike the calculating CELL.

You like the games available on their consoles (Past)... You do realize that 99% of the games TODAY will be on both systems, so you are paying a lot of money to get that short term servers/FREE online, few GREAT exclusive games & to see HD movies from a Blu-Ray disc for a high cost.

Sorry, I can’t understand that kid of thinking.

Short term servers - I|F that holds to be true then that'll do me fine as I don't game online much, Deac'll vouch for that as I've never gamed with him in the many years I've known him.

few great exclusives - This is subjective, what you say is great, I say is poop and vice versa, I'm more than content with whats available on each system. Had I gone for just exclusivity then the Wii would suffice.

Blu-ray disc issue- I'm not interested in HD movies, I could care less, its what Blu-ray MAY (I say may as its yet to prove it) provide in terms of gaming that interest me.

technical mumbo jumbo - does little for me, alls I know is I've had 2 360's die on me since launch and I'm now at a point where if this one goes, I'm not going to pay for it to be fixed......that actually brings up another point regarding Sony and their lies as you so eloquently put it.


The number of 360's breaking. You can't argue that the figure is substantial, heck, Watch dog even covered it here in the UK, google watchdog if you aren't familiar with them. MS stated a little after launch that it was a small percentage of consoles and they corrected the issue, fair enough. But the problem still exist now, over a year after launch. So did they lie?

[Mikewarrior]

The number of 360's breaking. You can't argue that the figure is substantial, heck, Watch dog even covered it here in the UK, google watchdog if you aren't familiar with them. MS stated a little after launch that it was a small percentage of consoles and they corrected the issue, fair enough. But the problem still exist now, over a year after launch. So did they lie?

The other stuff you said still didn't help me understand why you will support such a high costing gaming console (Prepare for that trend to continue if Sony gets their way for their future consoles) There is only so many Genres you like from the exclusives each system gets. It's just hard for me to understand (Unless someone likes every PS3 exclusive) what & how many exclusive games makes it worth paying so much for a gaming console?

Now to the part I just quoted... Didn't Watch dog only have 720 or so people call in to say their 360 broke on them? If so, that is hardly proving anything. Also, what you are asking is impossible to prove, so no Microsoft didn't LIE yet. I and my friends still have launch 360 systems that work perfect, and my Costco & my girlfriend's Costco hardly get 360 systems back... That tells me something right there.

[big isy]

The other stuff you said still didn't help me understand why you will support such a high costing gaming console (Prepare for that trend to continue if Sony gets their way for their future consoles) There is only so many Genres you like from the exclusives each system gets. It's just hard for me to understand (Unless someone likes every PS3 exclusive) what & how many exclusive games makes it worth paying so much for a gaming console?

Now to the part I just quoted... Didn't Watch dog only have 720 or so people call in to say their 360 broke on them? If so, that is hardly proving anything. Also, what you are asking is impossible to prove, so no Microsoft didn't LIE yet. I and my friends still have launch 360 systems that work perfect, and my Costco & my girlfriend's Costco hardly get 360 systems back... That tells me something right there.

So our experiences differ on the faulty consoles issue, I guess I just have bad luck. :flower:

You still need clarification for why I want the PS3? n need to explain this, surely my opinion should be respected without the need for me to go over every trivial matter.

1. The PS3 is more powerful as developers themselves have stated. I care very little for what devs have to say about stuff, but since you require 'proof' for why an opinion is just that, I have said this.

2. Games on both platforms look better on the 360, even I can see that, however that'll change, most games are designed primarily for the 360 as devs have had more hands on time with the console. Once they get up to par with the PS3 it'll out do the 360 graphically, again something I care little about as gameplay is what matters to me.

3. Price. The PS3 is £150 more expensive than the 360. However, the cost of the 360 for me thus far has been £400 with repairs of my second 360, one game and Live fee's. So all in all, the PS3 is only £50 more expensive. And thats with the HDMI cable too.

4. Free online. You've already stated that it may be a short lived pleasure but its free nonetheless so I'm not going to complain.

5. I've yet to hear of any PS3's breaking, I'm already aware of many, many 360's knocking the gravestone, 2 of mine have already kicked the bucket. The PS3 sounds like a solid machine that won't overheat or drown out my game audio.

[big isy]

Short term servers - I|F that holds to be true then that'll do me fine as I don't game online much, Deac'll vouch for that as I've never gamed with him in the many years I've known him.

few great exclusives - This is subjective, what you say is great, I say is poop and vice versa, I'm more than content with whats available on each system. Had I gone for just exclusivity then the Wii would suffice.

Blu-ray disc issue- I'm not interested in HD movies, I could care less, its what Blu-ray MAY (I say may as its yet to prove it) provide in terms of gaming that interest me.

technical mumbo jumbo - does little for me, alls I know is I've had 2 360's die on me since launch and I'm now at a point where if this one goes, I'm not going to pay for it to be fixed......that actually brings up another point regarding Sony and their lies as you so eloquently put it.


The number of 360's breaking. You can't argue that the figure is substantial, heck, Watch dog even covered it here in the UK, google watchdog if you aren't familiar with them. MS stated a little after launch that it was a small percentage of consoles and they corrected the issue, fair enough. But the problem still exist now, over a year after launch. So did they lie?


I've just gone through this post again, and how the heck does this not answer your question?!:wtf:
I've replied to each of the things you deemed to be bad points regarding the PS3.

[Mikewarrior]

I've just gone through this post again, and how the heck does this not answer your question?!:wtf:
I've replied to each of the things you deemed to be bad points regarding the PS3.

You say you care about having FREE online, but then say you don't play online much and that you don't care if Sony takes down the servers... Now what is it?

Without many GREAT exclusives (Unless you think every one will be great) What makes the PS3 worth to buy... This I have to find out?

You agree with the PS3's high costs now, but don't care about Blu-Ray movies... What else makes the PS3 cost more and make it worth it?

technical mumbo jumbo? QUESTION: "What do you think makes the XBox 360 the superior platform?"

I have an answer for the 360... Do you have one for the PS3?

Here's my answer... Well it's really all about games, it's software as you know and who knows software/it's tools/it's development better than Microsoft? The 360 is specifically designed to take advantage of it's tools and how developers see fit to utilize it's strengths UNLIKE Sony & their PS3.

[Sirharper]

Sorry, you don't own anything but your own thoughts... By you having a site up about fanboys just proves you are in haters denial. It's you who are worse than the problem itself.

Of course you'd say that...you're one of the fanbois.

[Mikewarrior]

Of course you'd say that...you're one of the fanbois.

You are just a sad person who hates on others because they have/show & prove good reasons to dislike Sony as a whole... Yes, you must work for them.

[Sirharper]

Then reality sets in when I show/prove how wrong they are.

People hate disinformation and fanboys are full of just that.

For the record...I would never work for a Jap company so long as there is still a choice. It's you saying stupid things like that that burys you.

[big isy]

You say you care about having FREE online, but then say you don't play online much and that you don't care if Sony takes down the servers... Now what is it?

Without many GREAT exclusives (Unless you think every one will be great) What makes the PS3 worth to buy... This I have to find out?

You agree with the PS3's high costs now, but don't care about Blu-Ray movies... What else makes the PS3 cost more and make it worth it?

technical mumbo jumbo? QUESTION: "What do you think makes the XBox 360 the superior platform?"

I have an answer for the 360... Do you have one for the PS3?

Here's my answer... Well it's really all about games, it's software as you know and who knows software/it's tools/it's development better than Microsoft? The 360 is specifically designed to take advantage of it's tools and how developers see fit to utilize it's strengths UNLIKE Sony & their PS3.


Online - 'much' being the keyword. I play online but not 'much'. IS that so hard to understand?

games- littlebigplanet, MGS4, Devil may cry, Heavenly sword, need I go on?

cost - Did I say Blu-ray is not the reason for the high cost? I simply said its not something I care about, unlike the thousands of others who do want HD stuff.

360 - Whatever you prefer I respect, I don't question because its an opinion, similarly I prefer the games that the PS3 has and will have in the near future. I'm not going to bother asking you to respect my opinion because if you did, you'd not question it.

also, because its relevant.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070309.jpg

[Kinjutsumaru]

:thread: What is the point of this thread ? So what if the PS3 hasn't sold out in Europe ? Sony is the devil and Microsoft is the messiah :rolleyes: You know Mike, for someone who hates Sony, you sure take a lot interest in them. Unless you own a PS3 or plan to purchase one, Sony's sales figures or the way they handle their business should be of no concern to you.

This message was brought to you by The Organization for Gaming Unity and Gamers Against Fanboyism.

BTW, Big that comic strip is damn funny and Devil May Cry kicks all kinds of ass.

[Mikewarrior]

Then reality sets in when I show/prove how wrong they are.

People hate disinformation and fanboys are full of just that.

For the record...I would never work for a Jap company so long as there is still a choice. It's you saying stupid things like that that burys you.

What have you proven... That I was wrong ONCE with the prediction about PS3 availability... Does that help you sleep better at night?

People hate disinformation... Well then, everyone should hate Sony by what you just said.

Man, you sure do love to protect them by hating people like me.. Does at least your Mother or Father work for them? If not, i just don't understand your defending nature.

[Mikewarrior]

:thread: What is the point of this thread ? So what if the PS3 hasn't sold out in Europe ? Sony is the devil and Microsoft is the messiah :rolleyes: You know Mike, for someone who hates Sony, you sure take a lot interest in them. Unless you own a PS3 or plan to purchase one, Sony's sales figures or the way they handle their business should be of no concern to you.

It's my concern because gaming is my hobby, and if Sony has their way (And you guys fully support them) it will ruin it for EVERYONE that will come in future console releases.

[big isy]

:thread: What is the point of this thread ? So what if the PS3 hasn't sold out in Europe ? Sony is the devil and Microsoft is the messiah :rolleyes: You know Mike, for someone who hates Sony, you sure take a lot interest in them. Unless you own a PS3 or plan to purchase one, Sony's sales figures or the way they handle their business should be of no concern to you.

This message was brought to you by The Organization for Gaming Unity and Gamers Against Fanboyism.

Stay away friend. I started as you did, posting more or less what you just did and now look at what I have become. I'm a monster hell-bent on crushing Mike's attempts to undermine a console for no known reason. *SOBS* What have I become ? :(

[Mikewarrior]

Stay away friend. I started as you did, posting more or less what you just did and now look at what I have become. I'm a monster hell-bent on crushing Mike's attempts to undermine a console for no known reason. *SOBS* What have I become ? :(

Actually, I have gave very good reasons to you & others in the past... It's you who chooses to turn a blind eye to what I have to say. That's your choice... I just hope people's decisions to support Sony doesn't affect my gaming future.

[big isy]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the many articles of evidence you provided. Please, pray tell, what evidence have you to prove the PS3 is rubbish?

[Kinjutsumaru]

Actually, I have gave very good reasons to you & others in the past... It's you who chooses to turn a blind eye to what I have to say. That's your choice... I just hope people's decisions to support Sony doesn't affect my gaming future.


OMG my purchase of a PS3 will mean the end of gaming as we know it. Those Bastards at Sony must be evil incarnate. Damn Sony and their plot to ruin gaming for the whole world.

[Sirharper]

OMG my purchase of a PS3 will mean the end of gaming as we know it. Those Bastards at Sony must be evil incarnate. Damn Sony and their plot to ruin gaming for the whole world.

You get good karma for that comment.

[Mikewarrior]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the many articles of evidence you provided. Please, pray tell, what evidence have you to prove the PS3 is rubbish?

I never said the PS3 is crap/shit/sucks/(European) Rubbish... Its the direction Sony is taking a gaming console... A controlled format/higher costs for YOU & developers. Namco even stated that they would have to sell 500,000 copies of a PS3 game to just break even.

I'm telling (should be begging ;) ) you... That is NOT good for the gaming industry no matter how anyone spins it.

[big isy]

I concur :)

Also, Mike...I gave you the benefit of the doubt but you were quick to post the 'Wii is shit' thread yesterday. Why have you not posted the apology from Chris Hecker, the man that said 'the wii is a peice of shit'? Is it because it doesn't undermine the Wii?

edit: Mike beat me to it lol

[Mikewarrior]

OMG my purchase of a PS3 will mean the end of gaming as we know it. Those Bastards at Sony must be evil incarnate. Damn Sony and their plot to ruin gaming for the whole world.

For you to make jokes about something that hurts developers because of costs by developing on the PS3's tech, goes to show that you are clueless to the things Sony is doing.

[big isy]

I never said the PS3 is crap/shit/sucks/(European) Rubbish... Its the direction Sony is taking a gaming console... A controlled format/higher costs for YOU & developers. Namco even stated that they would have to sell 500,000 copies of a PS3 game to just break even.

I'm telling (should be begging ;) ) you... That is NOT good for the gaming industry no matter how anyone spins it.

The fact that Namco are still developing for the PS3, and exclusively so in regards to some titles, goes to show their confidence in the system.

[Mikewarrior]

I concur :)

Also, Mike...I gave you the benefit of the doubt but you were quick to post the 'Wii is shit' thread yesterday. Why have you not posted the apology from Chris Hecker, the man that said 'the wii is a peice of shit'? Is it because it doesn't undermine the Wii?



No, because it doesn't take away the fact that he said it... Mel Gibson for example.

[Mikewarrior]

The fact that Namco are still developing for the PS3, and exclusively so in regards to some titles, goes to show their confidence in the system.

But it does allow a higher chance for developers to go bankrupt... That is the risk that Sony is putting on the gaming industry... Thank God for Microsoft's 360 & it's tools.

I would be saying the same thing if it were Sony in Microsoft's position.

[big isy]

Fair enough, but surely, it should still have been mentioned?
And why did you not mention Will Wright's praise of the Wii and its portable cousin the DS?
its one thing Chris Hecker (someone no-one even heard of prior to this) badmouthed the Wii, but Will Wright, the man who gave birth to the idea of Spore, praising the Wii should have been mentioned. Kinda relevant too as he's the lead guy on the Spore project. I put it to selective thinking on your part. ;)

[big isy]

But it does allow a higher chance for developers to go bankrupt... That is the risk that Sony is putting on the gaming industry... Thank God for Microsoft's 360 & it's tools.

I would be saying the same thing if it were Sony in Microsoft's position.

Then why are devs still creating games for the system? If you can so clearly see how they're risking it all by doing so then why can't they? You'd think these guys were educated in such matters

[Mikewarrior]

Fair enough, but surely, it should still have been mentioned?
And why did you not mention Will Wright's praise of the Wii and its portable cousin the DS?
its one thing Chris Hecker (someone no-one even heard of prior to this) badmouthed the Wii, but Will Wright, the man who gave birth to the idea of Spore, praising the Wii should have been mentioned. Kinda relevant too as he's the lead guy on the Spore project. I put it to selective thinking on your part. ;)

But wasn't Will Wright's praise long ago... The article I posted happened at the GDC.

[big isy]

It was relevant though wasn't it?
Hecker being a dev of Spore badmouthing the console that his Boss praises so highly, I would have mentioned it as it puts his views into perspective.

[Mikewarrior]

Then why are devs still creating games for the system? If you can so clearly see how they're risking it all by doing so then why can't they? You'd think these guys were educated in such matters

And now you know why many (Once thought of PS3 exclusives) are going to other platforms... Like the 360 also.

Sony did it to themselves, and I don't doubt that DMC4/MGS4/Tekken and others will one day come to the 360 also... Just like the always been PS exclusive (After SEGA's console's death) Virtua Fighter series.

[big isy]

Kinda like Gears of war, halo 2 and many others going to the PC? ;)
Or how about BioShock and Kane & Lynch moving to the PS3?

[Mikewarrior]

It was relevant though wasn't it?
Hecker being a dev of Spore badmouthing the console that his Boss praises so highly, I would have mentioned it as it puts his views into perspective.

Why take away the SHOCK that someone actually said that? I kind of agree in a way... I also want (Besides graphics) better A.I./Physics in my games also.

[Mikewarrior]

Kinda like Gears of war, halo 2 and many others going to the PC? ;)
Or how about BioShock and Kane & Lynch moving to the PS3?

Is BioShock & Kane & Lynch really going to the PS3... Can you show me?

[big isy]

Can you show me how you know Tekken, MGS or DMC are going to the 360?

As for BioShock and Kane & Lynch, they'll go the way of Saints Row and Oblivion, only on 360 for around 4 months and then straight onto the PS3.

[big isy]

Why take away the SHOCK that someone actually said that? I kind of agree in a way... I also want (Besides graphics) better A.I./Physics in my games also.

So you don't want people to see the full story? He says something, then apologises. Or that his boss praises the system he so kindly shoots down? Isn't that fanboyish though? You're telling one side of the story by not mentioning Wrights comments.

And the whole A.I/Physics thing.
physics - Eledees/Elebits. Play it and then tell me physics aren't anywhere to be found on the Wii.

A.I - Has yet to be seen. Although Zelda had some good stuff it wasn't anything revolutionary.

[Mikewarrior]

Can you show me how you know Tekken, MGS or DMC are going to the 360?

As for BioShock and Kane & Lynch, they'll go the way of Saints Row and Oblivion, only on 360 for around 4 months and then straight onto the PS3.

I said, I don't doubt that those games will one day go to the 360... You on the other hand said BioShock and Kayne & Lynch is going to the PS3 like it was already fact... There is a difference.

And 4 months? More like 8 months to a year in time difference, Hell those games are still not out for the PS3, and it's because of the tech inside the pS3 and it's weak Dev tools... Expect to wait longer for PS3 games over 360 ones and have most of them still look & play inferior… That was Sony’s choice though.

[Mikewarrior]

So you don't want people to see the full story? He says something, then apologises. Or that his boss praises the system he so kindly shoots down? Isn't that fanboyish though? You're telling one side of the story by not mentioning Wrights comments.

The article wasn't about what Wright said.

[big isy]

The article wasn't about what Wright said.

Are you reading what I said?
What wright said was relevant to the article. That is all.

I said, I don't doubt that those games will one day go to the 360... You on the other hand said BioShock and Kayne & Lynch is going to the PS3 like it was already fact... There is a difference.

You 'don't doubt' is the same as saying I have no doubt's, which is the literal sense of saying I know for a fact. I know English mate, heck, I'm from the country that created the language. :lol:

And just for the sake of clarity, here's what I said;
Or how about BioShock and Kane & Lynch moving to the PS3?

I'm not seeing the 'I know for a fact' there. I could simply be asking you what you think of the matter if it does happen.

[Mikewarrior]

You 'don't doubt' is the same as saying I have no doubt's, which is the literal sense of saying I know for a fact. I know English mate, heck, I'm from the country that created the language. :lol: = Yes, but you are reading into MY opinion of what may happen in the future... Ms. Cleo I am not.

I'm not seeing the 'I know for a fact' there. I could simply be asking you what you think of the matter if it does happen. = If it does happen, then I'm sure those developers are hoping to make more money than the costs it takes to port them over to PS3 tech... That is all.

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[big isy]

Likewise, you were reading into MY opinion. Its easy to have one set of rules for yourself and then another for someone else.

Well, those devs are obviously confident if they're porting them in the first place. ANd the reason, or one of the reasons the games are still not out is because they're to coincide with the European launch. Makes sense, gives Sony a stunning launch line-up.....in my opinion of course :rolleyes:

[Mikewarrior]

ANd the reason, or one of the reasons the games are still not out is because they're to coincide with the European launch. Makes sense, gives Sony a stunning launch line-up.....in my opinion of course :rolleyes:

That makes no sense for U.S./Japan sales... They need the games to sell systems, and right now the PS3 systems are sitting on store shelves in BOTH places.

The European launch is much later, and many of those PS3 launch games are the same or are very close to the same series that's been on the 360 for a long while now... I wouldn't call that a stellar launch line-up, not for the wait/price and similarity of what the 360 already has.

[big isy]

That makes no sense for U.S./Japan sales... They need the games to sell systems, and right now the PS3 systems are sitting on store shelves in BOTH places.

The European launch is much later, and many of those PS3 launch games are the same or are very close to the same series that's been on the 360 for a long while now... I wouldn't call that a stellar launch line-up, not for the wait/price and similarity of what the 360 already has.

You say it isn't selling, I say it is. This is a game of tennis we have going here lol.

And the line-up is far superior of what the 360 had at launch, you can hardly deny that. Oblvion is already said to be much faster and better looking according to sites that you yourself have proven to take a liking to, ign.com and gamespot.

[Mikewarrior]

You say it isn't selling, I say it is. This is a game of tennis we have going here lol. - How about you go look up sales numbers for the PS3 here in the U.S. compared to the 360 and see who is selling more systems... Funny how I can go to Target/Gamestop/Wal-Mart/Fred Mayers... etc and pick up a PS3 right now.

And the line-up is far superior of what the 360 had at launch, you can hardly deny that. = People don't compare 360's 2005 to PS3's 2007 launch when they go to buy a system... They compare what they have NOW at the same time for the price.

Oblvion is already said to be much faster and better looking according to sites that you yourself have proven to take a liking to, ign.com and gamespot. - Yes, a YEAR after & downloading half of it to PS3's Hard Drive... Funny how the 360 will get the same FIX graphically over Xbox Live and it has HDR (Unlike PS3's version) and AA at the same time (Unlike PS3's version) = Now what one is better graphically?

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[big isy]

How about you go look up sales numbers for the PS3 here in the U.S. compared to the 360 and see who is selling more systems... Funny how I can go to Target/Gamestop/Wal-Mart/Fred Mayers... etc and pick up a PS3 right now.

People don't compare 360's 2005 to PS3's 2007 launch when they go to buy a system... They compare what they have NOW at the same time for the price.

Yes, a YEAR after & downloading half of it to PS3's Hard Drive... Funny how the 360 will get the same FIX graphically over Xbox Live and it has HDR (Unlike PS3's version) and AA (Unlike PS3's version) = Now what one is better graphically?

Why not look at Japan? Oh wait, there's a bigger difference here between the two consoles. Or does that not matter to you because its not the US?

What am I? Am I not human? I compare the launch line-ups, is it fair? probably not but then neither is your constant whining over a console you already state you have no interest in buying.

On the disc. The content we had to download for Oblivion on the 360 will be on the disc as far as I know, I'm going by memory here so you'll forgive me if I'm wrong. And my opinion remains the same, the PS3 version is better. It costs less (360 version costs £50, PS3 versions costs £40) and then you add-on the costs of the downloads from the marketplace, thats a hefty price tag on a 360 title.

[Mikewarrior]

Why not look at Japan? Oh wait, there's a bigger difference here between the two consoles. Or does that not matter to you because its not the US? - It's still not SOLD OUT there and the Wii is KILLING it there.

What am I? Am I not human? I compare the launch line-ups, is it fair? probably not but then neither is your constant whining over a console you already state you have no interest in buying. - You call it whining... I call it reasoning. I have a voice & a mind and I am using it to see through the Sony supporting BS.

On the disc. The content we had to download for Oblivion on the 360 will be on the disc as far as I know, I'm going by memory here so you'll forgive me if I'm wrong. And my opinion remains the same, the PS3 version is better. It costs less (360 version costs £50, PS3 versions costs £40) and then you add-on the costs of the downloads from the marketplace, thats a hefty price tag on a 360 title. - Yeah, I guess tou forgot that YEAR of waiting, and Oblivion for the 360 has been cheaper at certain locations because it's a YEAR old.

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[big isy]

It's still not SOLD OUT there and the Wii is KILLING it there.

You call it whining... I call it reasoning. I have a voice & a mind and I am using it to see through the Sony supporting BS.

Yeah, I guess tou forgot that YEAR of waiting, and Oblivion for the 360 has been cheaper at certain locations because it's a YEAR old.

The Wii is also killing the 360, so's the PS2 on that note.

I don't support Sony, I just debate those who feel the need to complain against a company be it Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft when they clearly have no interest in that company's products.

And unfortunately, Oblivion still works out the same (price) as the PS3 version thanks to the downloadable stuff.

[Mikewarrior]

The Wii is also killing the 360, so's the PS2 on that note. - Not in the U.S. and that is #1 in importance in game sales... Like it or not, you have to live with it.

I don't support Sony, I just debate those who feel the need to complain against a company be it Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft when they clearly have no interest in that company's products. - And I'll give you justifiable reasons why I do so... Shit, I already have. Please try to understand my stance on Sony's and what they are trying to accomplish with their PS3... If Sony had their way, they would FORCE Blu-Ray support on me. You think I like what Sony is doing to keep my mouth shut = Not a chance buddy.

And unfortunately, Oblivion still works out the same (price) as the PS3 version thanks to the downloadable stuff. - O.k. I still got to play it a YEAR earlier on the 360, and the game experience doesn't have a price.
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[big isy]

Not in the U.S. and that is #1 in importance in game sales... Like it or not, you have to live with it. - Europe and Japan outdo US alone. If Sony can get those two regions then they'll have succeeded. I don't want that to happen, I want Microsoft to be on a level heading with Sony so there isn't any slacking going on.

- And I'll give you justifiable reasons why I do so... Shit, I already have. Please try to understand my stance on Sony's and what they are trying to accomplish with their PS3... If Sony had their way, they would FORCE Blu-Ray support on me. You think I like what Sony is doing to keep my mouth shut = Not a chance buddy. - So you'd rather they went bust and Microsoft dominated? You think MS pushing the HD-DVD is better than SOny pushing the Blu-ray? And are you aware of the possibilties that Blu-ray could accomplish in games?

O.k. I still got to play it a YEAR earlier on the 360, and the game experience doesn't have a price. - Big deal, I played worms years ago but that doesn't mean its a bad game.


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[DeaconBlade]

hey i thought it was always too expensive in the Europe market for you guys isy?

[big isy]

Its expensive but the blame falls onto the country's import taxes. And like I mentioned a couple pages back, it works out as being £70 more than the 360, and that's not a whole lot.

[Mikewarrior]

- Europe and Japan outdo US alone. If Sony can get those two regions then they'll have succeeded. I don't want that to happen, I want Microsoft to be on a level heading with Sony so there isn't any slacking going on. IF, IF, IF Sony can far outdo Microsoft in Europe (We know Japan already) then maybe they can sell more systems by the time THIS NEW GEN is OVER... Would it really matter then? I also want a more equaled footing and that is why Sony needs to lose many supporters.

- So you'd rather they went bust and Microsoft dominated? You think MS pushing the HD-DVD is better than SOny pushing the Blu-ray? And are you aware of the possibilties that Blu-ray could accomplish in games? - You tell me what did Resistance/VF5/MotorStorm/Genji accomplish with Blu-Ray that DVD never did? Isn't Crysis on a DVD?

And no, I don't want them to go bust... I want a better Sony and a better gaming system from them.

Big deal, I played worms years ago but that doesn't mean its a bad game. - O.k. that's your opinion

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[big isy]

lol, they don't need to lose anything, MS just need to gain supporters ;)

I agree that Blu-ray isn't being used to its full potential but like many developers have also said, it'll be a while before that space and power is tapped.

And you're right, it is my opinion so why are you so adamant about changing my views on the PS3? I like it, why can't you respect that? I could understand it if I'd said the PS3 is going to pound the 360 to dust and beat it without doubt, but I don't believe that, I simply like the console and thats it.

[Mikewarrior]

lol, they don't need to lose anything, MS just need to gain supporters ;) - That's one way to look at it. :)

I agree that Blu-ray isn't being used to its full potential but like many developers have also said, it'll be a while before that space and power is tapped. - O.k. POWER potential is one thing, but space isn't something that needs to be tapped... It's there to be filled up. If the development costs are already high, how will developers have the time & cash (Time is cash) to fill those Blu-ray discs with game content?

And you're right, it is my opinion so why are you so adamant about changing my views on the PS3? I like it, why can't you respect that? I could understand it if I'd said the PS3 is going to pound the 360 to dust and beat it without doubt, but I don't believe that, I simply like the console and thats it. - Hey, I'm just stating things why I feel the way I do towards Sony & their PS3.. You don't have to read it or believe in it, but I'm still going to state what I feel & what I know for a fact (Yes, two different things)... That's what people do in forums, yes?

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[big isy]

If the fill up the space with content that adds to the game and elevates the game above other titles then it'll sell. The dev's don't need to worry about costs f they make quality stuff.

I can't say I appreciate what you say but I do respect your decision. You made compelling arguments and although I don't agree with you, I can say that you are entitled to your views.
HOWEVER, respect should fall both ways. Forums are for outputting your views and opinions and its all there to be questioned but you've already made your point. There's no need to post thread after thread undermining the PS3, I come to these forums for 360 news and talk, not to hear someone badmouth something I actually like.

This place was really mature before this sort of talk came. My cousin even bought a PS3 after reading what the people were like over here! (Supashax is his GT)
Bottom line is, Unscripted360 outlines what makes the 360 so great, mature gamers. Don't ruin it by constantly bashing something. You've made you views perfectly known, can we please just leave it at that?

[Sirharper]

Well said Biggie.

[Mikewarrior]

If the fill up the space with content that adds to the game and elevates the game above other titles then it'll sell. The dev's don't need to worry about costs f they make quality stuff. - Depends on the user-base at the time and Crysis is on a DVD, so why do we need Blu-Ray again?

I can't say I appreciate what you say but I do respect your decision. You made compelling arguments and although I don't agree with you, I can say that you are entitled to your views.
HOWEVER, respect should fall both ways. Forums are for outputting your views and opinions and its all there to be questioned but you've already made your point. There's no need to post thread after thread undermining the PS3, I come to these forums for 360 news and talk, not to hear someone badmouth something I actually like. - That's life buddy... You can't always have it your way. I do want to let you know that I respect you as a person, but your opinion is only yours to respect. To support a company like Sony (One you know who lies to your face) is being hypocritical when it's their actions/words you dislike.

This place was really mature before this sort of talk came. My cousin even bought a PS3 after reading what the people were like over here! (Supashax is his GT)
Bottom line is, Unscripted360 outlines what makes the 360 so great, mature gamers. Don't ruin it by constantly bashing something. You've made you views perfectly known, can we please just leave it at that? - You please find where I ignorantly bashed the PS3, or even bashed it at all... Is it bashing when you tell the truth about most of it's games (That came out later) being inferior to the 360 versions? What really did I bash? Also, there is a reason why this is in the console wars forum, and not the 360 one... It's because it's PS3 related.

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[big isy]

*Sigh*
I'm afraid any inkling of respect I had for you prior to that has no been lost. You're opinion is nothing more than that. Yours. Don't force them upon me or anyone else.

I never called you ignorant nor did I ever have the intention of calling you something so crude but you're making it difficult for me to see as being anything but.

By constantly undermining the console and labelling it as being the poorer of the two you're, in effect, bashing the console. Carry on, its clear you have no intention of keeping Unscripted360 mature and I bid you farewell, I love it when a great forum is ruined by idiocy.

Can't say I didn't try to mend any broken fences.

[Mikewarrior]

*Sigh*
I'm afraid any inkling of respect I had for you prior to that has no been lost. You're opinion is nothing more than that. Yours. Don't force them upon me or anyone else. - I don't post to force anything... Take the info as you will.

I never called you ignorant nor did I ever have the intention of calling you something so crude but you're making it difficult for me to see as being anything but. - I speak to you in a proper tone, please be courtious in the same respect.

By constantly undermining the console and labelling it as being the poorer of the two you're, in effect, bashing the console. Carry on, its clear you have no intention of keeping Unscripted360 mature and I bid you farewell, I love it when a great forum is ruined by idiocy. - Now you have gone too far, I am mearly replying to your feelings on a subject... If you don't like what I have to say = It's simple really... DON'T REPLY TOWARDS ME!!! See, is it really that hard?

Oh & btw... What I have to say does not ruin a great forum, and there is nothing idiotic about it... well, maybe the time wasted on replying towards you.

Can't say I didn't try to mend any broken fences. - What you just said towards me would never help... You didn't try at all.

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[big isy]

I accepted your opinion and respected it. That's not being courteous? And how is mimicking what I say a 'proper tone'? example.
what I said;
Are you reading what I said?
What wright said was relevant to the article. That is all.
your response;
If it does happen, then I'm sure those developers are hoping to make more money than the costs it takes to port them over to PS3 tech... That is all.
That was just one such example.

And one person can ruin a forum, you'd be surprised at how much a single person can accomplish when they put their mind to the task.

[Mikewarrior]

I accepted your opinion and respected it. That's not being courteous? And how is mimicking what I say a 'proper tone'? example. - That example is taken out of context by you & unrelated to the part I quoted. I have used "That is all" many times like you... It was not an attempt to belittle you in any way. However, yes... I have done it before in a lighthearted attempt to be funny. Sorry if I have ever offended you as a person. I would never do that unless you start the hate towards me first, not over a plastic gaming console. I care more about people than I do Sony/Microsoft & gaming.


And one person can ruin a forum, you'd be surprised at how much a single person can accomplish when they put their mind to the task. - That will never be my intention, but I will post how I feel and what I know (And will back them up with links if I have to) when being questioned with constant replies from someone such as yourself.

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[big isy]

If I was offended by the 'That is all' statement then I would've said so earlier ;)
I'm just replying to you calling me discourteous which I would never even attempt to be, over the many forums I've frequented I've yet to be told I offended anyone. Deacon can vouch for that as I was a regular on XGP.

See, I know your intention is good, but you have to realise that sometimes intentions can be interpreted in a way that you might not expect. For example, the 'That is all' comment. I know you didn't mean it in an insulting way but it could easily have been read as such.
And regardless of how many links and proofs you provide, you can never logically prove your opinion is any more right than mine. That's the thing with opinions, you can view your own as being right but you can never prove someone else's as being wrong.

[Mikewarrior]

If I was offended by the 'That is all' statement then I would've said so earlier ;)
I'm just replying to you calling me discourteous which I would never even attempt to be, over the many forums I've frequented I've yet to be told I offended anyone. Deacon can vouch for that as I was a regular on XGP. - Well what rubbed me the wrong way is when you said this = "Carry on, its clear you have no intention of keeping Unscripted360 mature and I bid you farewell, I love it when a great forum is ruined by idiocy." and that was directed towards me... If that isn't being discourteous, what is it?

See, I know your intention is good, but you have to realise that sometimes intentions can be interpreted in a way that you might not expect. For example, the 'That is all' comment. I know you didn't mean it in an insulting way but it could easily have been read as such. - See that's the thing, for you to interpret something I've said completely different than what I really mean, isn't my fault... It's you who takes a different meaning from what I am trying to get across. I can't be a mind reader and know how to exactly say something for you to get the point. It's up to you to ask me questions without blowing your top by saying I'm ruining this forum.

And regardless of how many links and proofs you provide, you can never logically prove your opinion is any more right than mine. That's the thing with opinions, you can view your own as being right but you can never prove someone else's as being wrong. - Well opinions can be wrong, and facts can be proven, but it is up to you to see the reality... That's something that can't be forced into your brain.

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[big isy]

The only way that this shit is going to come to a close is if we both agree that we're entitled to our own opinions. I've already said I respected your opinion and you replied by saying you couldn't do the same for me, however I'm asking you once again to see how an opinion can differ from yours.

[Mikewarrior]

The only way that this shit is going to come to a close is if we both agree that we're entitled to our own opinions. I've already said I respected your opinion and you replied by saying you couldn't do the same for me, however I'm asking you once again to see how an opinion can differ from yours.

I know that opinions can differ, and you seem like a logical understanding person that I do respect... but your opinion on why Sony deserves your support I cannot respect. Sorry, I can't respect someone's decision to support a company who LIES like Sony does, or how they give ZERO respect to gamers intelligence by the things they say or to Microsoft's and Nintendo's accomplishments... All they can do is hate, and try to FORCE their will on YOU/ME & Developers alike… well I am just hating them back for their arrogant position in the gaming community.

[big isy]

You can't respect me until you respect my opinions. Our opinions are what make us who we are, to not respect the very thing that makes me unique and say you do respect me makes no sense.
As for Sony, I only ever said I like their console, no more no less. Its the same with MS and Nintendo. You keep saying Sony lies and you're right but you do realise that every single company you buy anything from lies?

Microsoft- "You won't be able to play soccer games on any other next-gen console for the next 12 months" -statement corrected my Konami and EA a week later. Lies? I think so.
Microsoft- "Halo 3 will release in time for the PS3 launch" Bill gates, the man himself saying that. Lies? It certainly seems so.
Nintendo- "We've stopped making GC games" Someone else a couple days later says the opposite, one of them is lying.

The next point you brought up was the accomplishment thing regarding MS and Nintendo. I wasn't aware that each of the 3 companies should praise the other, heck, while they're at it, they should advertise the others console for them :lol:
And they're not forcing anything on me, I'm willing going to spend my money on a product I think is right. If anything MS are the ones forcing gamers to opt for the 20Gig HD, something we all know they'll upgrade, or rather, have to upgrade soon.

In closing, in order to respect me as a person, you'd have to respect my opinion. I n the same sense as you'd respect someone's beliefs and customs.

[Mikewarrior]

You can't respect me until you respect my opinions. Our opinions are what make us who we are, to not respect the very thing that makes me unique and say you do respect me makes no sense. - See that's where you are reading into what I said as in your Opinion(S)... I don't disagree with all of them, but I do disagree with you supporting/defending Sony (A company who you know lies/disrespects & hates like no other) and disrespect is something you are saying you dislike about me, yet you defend & are saying you will support Sony... Are you a hypocrite?

As for Sony, I only ever said I like their console, no more no less. Its the same with MS and Nintendo. You keep saying Sony lies and you're right but you do realise that every single company you buy anything from lies? - To a degree yes they all do, but I have yet to see Microsoft/Nintendo make fools out of their fans by saying "Our fans would buy the PS3 even if it didn’t have any games" or trying to fool them by saying CGI is in-game... See there comes a time that you have to stand up against what you truly believe in and let your morals speak louder than your wants & desires.

The next point you brought up was the accomplishment thing regarding MS and Nintendo. I wasn't aware that each of the 3 companies should praise the other, heck, while they're at it, they should advertise the others console for them :lol: - Yet you talk of respect, are you again a hypocrite in that vain to think companies should just badmouth their competition, to show disrespect like Sony does?

And they're not forcing anything on me, I'm willing going to spend my money on a product I think is right. - Well if you were to understand what I am trying to say, then maybe you would understand the point I'm trying to make... If Sony gets their way... Blu-Ray will also be FORCED on me & everyone else who buys hard copy HD movies (I don't like that idea) nor should anyone else. You can like it all you want, but the fact remains that Sony isn't helping gaming with Blu-Ray like they say... It takes extra costs to fill up those discs with REAL gaming content (Not happening btw), and the disc manufacturing/stamping process costs a lot more also.

If anything MS are the ones forcing gamers to opt for the 20Gig HD, something we all know they'll upgrade, or rather, have to upgrade soon. - No it's still the individual's choice if he/she wants it or not, and even if they upgrade the HD to a larger size... It's still a choice. Also, the 20 Gig is fine, because you can delete anything you bought, and anything (Besides Movies) can be re-downloaded for FREE at a later time. Funny how people make a big deal out of that.

In closing, in order to respect me as a person, you'd have to respect my opinion. I n the same sense as you'd respect someone's beliefs and customs. - One opinion on the subject of why anyone would support Sony after the things they've done, I can't respect... Because there is ZERO justifiable reasons (That is if you have morals and are not a hypocrite) to do so. Someone can have customs & beliefs in eating other dead people/Devil worship/People worship (Movie Stars)/Sony worship that see ALLLLLLL the bad in what they do and still support them no matter what... Do you think I should respect that?

Trust me, if Microsoft was in the same position as Sony is right now and Sony in Microsoft’s... I would be supporting Sony.

[big isy]

So basically I'm a hypocrite for saying I like the PS3? Your logical is beyond reasoning.

See that's where you are reading into what I said as in your Opinion(S)... I don't disagree with all of them, but I do disagree with you supporting/defending Sony (A company who you know lies/disrespects & hates like no other) and disrespect is something you are saying you dislike about me, yet you defend & are saying you will support Sony... Are you a hypocrite

I could care less if you agree with my opinions or not, I'm asking you to respect them which you said you won't do. ANd I'm a hypocrite for defending Sony? The only thing I've tried to do is show you that all corporations lie, I agree Sony is by far the biggest culprit, but only because they've been caught lying.

I'm leaving it at this as you're clearly not even trying to respect me and my decisions so I refuse to waste time even trying to make you understand.

[Mikewarrior]

So basically I'm a hypocrite for saying I like the PS3? Your logical is beyond reasoning. = You like respect, you dislike disrespect, you know Sony lies & disrespects like no other, but you will still support their PS3... Might as well agree with them and never think they lie, yes?

I could care less if you agree with my opinions or not, I'm asking you to respect them which you said you won't do. ANd I'm a hypocrite for defending Sony? The only thing I've tried to do is show you that all corporations lie, I agree Sony is by far the biggest culprit, but only because they've been caught lying. - No, it's because they are the ones trying to do anything they can to hold onto their dominance by lying/deceiving the most... I really wish you could see that. Microsoft & Nintendo have taken the superior approach by letting their consoles/games reality speak for itself, instead of just WORDS that are easily caught as LIES from Sony. I know who is the lesser of the two evils between Microsoft & Sony when it comes to my gaming hobby... I just wish you did, and only supported the one who helps it more than hurts it by their own actions. By giving Sony a chance (With your support) to become dominant again in gaming, you and others will affect me & my hobby wither you know it or not. That's why I can't respect your opinion on supporting Sony by you buying their PS3.

I'm leaving it at this as you're clearly not even trying to respect me and my decisions so I refuse to waste time even trying to make you understand. - Maybe it is me trying to help you understand my position, and why it will never change until Sony does. Don't expect anything else from me, because to me you need to earn my respect... Your actions/reasons of defending Sony & supporting them definitely don't deserve it.

Everything in the future is up to Sony now, and their actions will always speak louder than their lying words... I just hope one day that their actions become better than their lies. Time will tell all.

[big isy]

I don't want anything from you, I could care less what you make of my opinions, I just thought you'd be a decent enough guy to respect someone's choices. Theres a distinct difference between respecting an opinion and agreeing to one. I respect yours but disagree, I feel that Sony have ****ed up alot but their machine is what I'm looking at and I'm liking what I see.
I don;'t buy a console to show my allegiance to that company, I buy it cos I like it. Are you even aware of the Microsoft/Open source stuff going on tight now? Surely thats proof enough that every company has a bad side.

[Mikewarrior]

I don't want anything from you, I could care less what you make of my opinions, I just thought you'd be a decent enough guy to respect someone's choices. Theres a distinct difference between respecting an opinion and agreeing to one. I respect yours but disagree - You have shown otherwise in this war of words... You have basically said that my posting here is ruining this forum and wasn't "idiocy" the word you used to describe it? Your opinion about Sony and why you are supporting them is not worthy enough for my respect... It's all about "I want!" without morals in what that company does. You are asking for me to respect your decision on that... Sorry, I can't.

I feel that Sony have ****ed up alot but their machine is what I'm looking at and I'm liking what I see. - Good for you I guess, bad too me.

I don;'t buy a console to show my allegiance to that company, I buy it cos I like it. - Yeah, I know "I want!" without seeing the repercussions of your decisions in future gaming consoles.

Are you even aware of the Microsoft/Open source stuff going on tight now? Surely thats proof enough that every company has a bad side.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/179256_msftopen25.html

You think that is bad? Well I can go off the gaming subject also with Sony if you want... How about Fake Movie critics to give your movies good reviews, exploding batteries and rootkit... Look them up if you don't know what I am talking about.



Anyways, I respect you as a person... I just don't respect your one opinion/decision to support Sony. That's not all of what you are about, is it?

[big isy]

I've already said what I think of Sony, I don't intend to support them, nor do I intend to support Microsoft or Nintendo for that matter but I will buy the PS3 because the console appears to me. Does that compute with you?!
I LIKE THE PS3. Is there anything wrong with that? Am I somehow the spawn of satan for liking it?
And you talk about the future of gaming and moral repercussions..... :WTF:
Its a hobby, if you don't like whats available then find another hobby. If the PS3 isn't all that great like you believe then it won't sell and you have nothing to worry about.

[DJSteel]

wow... is this Frag Monger Jr.

[big isy]

wow... is this Frag Monger Jr.

Got it in one :coolguy:

[blazsox]

Nah, Frag owns a PS3. He spent $600 so he can bullshit on forums and say he has a PS3.

So much for skipping launch day because of price eh?

Spent $600 to fight with little kids on forums. But I'll give him credit, it probably gets him away from that wilderbeast of a wife.

[DJSteel]

lmao

[Sirharper]

wow... is this Frag Monger Jr.

LOL!!

Yeah, fanbois think alike.