Now this is funny & shocking.

[Mikewarrior]

Game sales for games in Japan last week.

Trigger Heart Exelica DC Warashi 02/24/07 9,750
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Trigger%20Heart%20Exelica

Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 Sega 02/24/07 8,000
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Virtua%20Fighter%205

LoL, now who would have thought this? Oh and btw...

Crackdown X360 Microsoft 02/24/07 16,250
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Crackdown

[Sirharper]

Whoever has the most consoles will sell the most games.

Simple as that.

[big isy]

Whoever has the most consoles will sell the most games.

Simple as that.

QFT
Although, its still funny that the 360 has been out there so long and has already been surpassed by the PS3.


Week 2/19 - 2/25
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | Total 2007 Sales | Lifetime Sales

1.) Nintendo DS Lite - 136,128 | 136,846 | 1,376,562 | 8,799,886
2.) PlayStation Portable - 100,210 | 34,505 | 437,828 | 4,969,957
3.) Wii - 78,506 | 63,618 | 745,602 | 1,665,245
4.) PlayStation 3 - 19,315 | 20,676 | 218,725 | 676,283
5.) PlayStation 2 - 15,054 | 16,192 | 180,683 | 20,335,542
6.) Xbox 360 - 4,183 | 5,210 | 62,010 | 326,712
7.) Game Boy Advance SP - 1,035 | 843 | 9,171 | 5,925,054
8.) Game Boy micro - 907 | 953 | 12,105 | 572,035
9.) GameCube - 323 | 347 | 4,129 | 4,173,597
10.) Nintendo DS - 132 | 153 | 846 | 6,583,201
11.) Game Boy Advance - 59 | 40 | 427 | 8,823,536

[Sirharper]

Thats not a shock at all really. Expect that pace to improve.

It will probably take another year but PS3 is certain to overtake 360 overall.

Any 360 fanboy that thinks otherwise is delusional.

[big isy]

Thats not a shock at all really. Expect that pace to improve.

It will probably take another year but PS3 is certain to overtake 360 overall.

Any 360 fanboy that thinks otherwise is delusional.

I really don't need convincing of that. Especially if you remember that the PS3 has yet to be released in Europe, and us Europeans love Sony :flower:

[Sirharper]

I'd give you good karma for that intelligent comment but it seems I have already sent some your way.

[Mikewarrior]

Whoever has the most consoles will sell the most games.

Simple as that.

The PS3 has more than double the consoles sold in Japan over the 360, so how did Crackdown let alone a Dreamcast game for a dead system beat it out?

VF5 out of all games... LOL.

[big isy]

mainly cause it was crackdown release week and stuff always, ALWAYS sells more on the week of launch.
VF5 came out a short while ago me thinks.

[Mikewarrior]

mainly cause it was crackdown release week and stuff always, ALWAYS sells more on the week of launch.
VF5 came out a short while ago me thinks.

Yes, but it hardly has a good attach ratio for PS3 systems sold, me thinks.

[big isy]

You really are a bona fide fanboy.
I give a legitimate answer to your post and you try and be funny.

Whats the total amount of VF5 games sold?

[Mikewarrior]

You really are a bona fide fanboy.
I give a legitimate answer to your post and you try and be funny.

Whats the total amount of VF5 games sold?

Around 71, 000

And I wouldn't be a fanboy if the PS3 proved to be 3 times better like Sony said, or even better at all for the price.

[big isy]

How can it prove it? You clearly made your mind up about the console when its still in its infancy.

[DeaconBlade]

anything in Japan doesn't count :lol:

[Mikewarrior]

How can it prove it? You clearly made your mind up about the console when its still in its infancy.

Is it really in it's infancy if it was delayed 6-months? Doesn't that mean the developers had an extra 6-months developing for it? Why are it's versions coming out weaker than 360 versions that were developed far earlier? Funny how the Xbox proved to have superior versions than the PS2 with PS2 ports, while the PS3 can't with 360 ports.

[big isy]

Erm, the Xbox port of GTA wasn't all that great. Neither was Metal gear solid 2 for that matter.
And I've already gone over the whole delay thing in the other thread.

[Mikewarrior]

Erm, the Xbox port of GTA wasn't all that great. Neither was Metal gear solid 2 for that matter.
And I've already gone over the whole delay thing in the other thread.

Uh, the GTA port on the Xbox was far better than the PS2 one - Far better draw-Distance/Far less clipping/Far less loading/Far less jaggies/Far less hiccups/Cleaner textures/Better sound.

Now about Metal Gear Solid 2 (Sony fans always bring this up) is better looking on the Xbox with some bump-mapping, cleaner overall textures, and jaggie issues. However, it is not the systems fault (Xbox) for a non-optimized PS2 port from a lazy Japanese developer that has mostly favored a Japanese console... So yes, MGS2 does RUN better on the Ps2 over the Xbox version, but then again that hardly proves that the Xbox isn't capable. Now the PS3 got at least the extra 6-months time to improve upon, where did that go?

[big isy]

I guess we played different GTA games then.

[Sirharper]

GTA:VC and SA were proven (or shown at least by OXM) to have marginally better graphics on Xbox.

These points were lost however in the miscalculated timing of AI actions due to the porting which created a less challenging gameplay on Xbox.

[Sirharper]

You really are a bona fide fanboy.
I give a legitimate answer to your post and you try and be funny.

Whats the total amount of VF5 games sold?


Why...yes he is as a matter of fact. One of THE six certified fanboys actually.

http://360advocate.com/index.php?showforum=9

[Mikewarrior]

Why...yes he is as a matter of fact. One of THE six certified fanboys actually.

http://360advocate.com/index.php?showforum=9

LOL, it looks like it is you who has the problem with people who give justified reasons why we dislike Sony... It's people like you who needs to get a clue.

Here are a few of them = http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543&page=0

[Sirharper]

The thread about you says it all.

No need to discuss it here fanboy.

[Kinjutsumaru]

:XBOX360: :wii: :PS3icon: That's a sexy threesome. Kill the fanboyism, play all consoles and enjoy the best that each has to offer. Master Chief, Samus Aran and Solid Snake, shall always live together peacefully in my house :grouphug: .

[UNSCleric]

What about when Solid Snake is on Xbox 360, like he was on Xbox?

[GPanime]

This thread is not "funny & shocking". Guys, Kill the fanboyism, play all consoles and enjoy the best that each has to offer.
I think we all had enough speculation about PS3 vs Xbox 360, we'll see the results of this battle in 3-4 years. But right now, let's settle this argument.

[big isy]

LOL, it looks like it is you who has the problem with people who give justified reasons why we dislike Sony... It's people like you who needs to get a clue.

Here are a few of them = http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543&page=0


didn't click on the link you gave as I'm using my PSP....thats right, a Sony product, you melting yet? lol, j/k mate.

I'm not saying disliking the PS3 is wrong. Hell, I'm not a big fan of it. What I don't like is people who use their own opinion of a product to try and justify the quality of it. So you don't like the PS3 and therefore you try and explain how it's so inferior to the 360 which you do like. See where I'm going with this?

I've already said I'm not a fan of the PS2 or PS3 at the moment but I atleast know and accept that theres nothing wrong with liking those consoles or,dare I say it, prefering them above any other console.

[Kinjutsumaru]

I love video games too much to stick with or be partial to one console. If I stick to the 360 alone, how will I play Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Story, MGS 4 or Devil May Cry 4 ? How will I play Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 ( I'm obsessed with Samus and the Metroid series ) and kick butt in Smash Bros. Brawl ?

I've never been partial to any one console, I have 18 consoles, handhelds included and I love them all. I'm not a Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft fan, I'm a video game fan, I don't care who makes it or where it's from. But I am a Metroid fanboy, always have been and always will be :) :cool:

[Mikewarrior]

O.k. lets clarify something real quick (Hopefully I won't need to say this again)... It's not the PS3 I dislike so much, it's SONY... It's what they try to do, it's what they have done, and it's what they have said since the PS2 days. It also sucks that things keep getting worse about them and what they are doing with the Playstation brand, it's not better or for the good of gaming... that is for sure.

You guys can buy into them all you want, but while you give your impressions of them & their product, keep in mind that I should have the same equal right to give mine... If you get mad about what I have to say, well then it's your fault to allow my opinion to affect you in such a way. By getting mad at me for what I have to say shows me & everyone else that there may be a little truth about my observation of Sony's product.

Now Kinjutsumaru, you listed 4 PS3 games that you can't be without (They could be good/bad/o.k./or great), and you have got to realize that all 4 of those games are 3rd party... Don't you think you'll need many more factual PS3 exclusives to make it worth spending $600+ on a game console? This is what I know for a fact... I'll even miss out on many 360 games I will want to play. However, I have a Job, a house, and other responsibilities that take time away (Along with the gaming forums) it's called what happens to every gamer unless you are a bum or filthy rich. Is it a big deal, No... I don't have money to waste on other consoles and it's games when I can't even get all the 360 games I want, and even if I did there isn't enough time to play all the good ones. By just owning the 360, I'll have the option of more games I want than I can actually play.

That's the reality for most people.

[big isy]

I'm more annoyed at your accusations than angered. Its one thing to say you don't like a console or company but to use that as a fact is an entirely different matter. I don't like Sony. I think they are arrogant and whatnot, but I like where the PS3 is headed. Will I get one? Sure, maybe in a year or two when I can afford it but heck, if I could get it now I'd be all over it.
Just because I can't afford the console does not mean it sucks. All it means is that the console is expensive. Some may say overpriced but that's their opinion.
Us Europeans got the high-end of the stick with a price that's double that of the Japanese SRP, do you hear me complaining? Did you hear that the PS3 is also the fastest pre-ordered console in the Uk in many major retailers? So the whole 'Thats the reality for most people' doesn't really take the Europeans into account I guess.

As for Kinjutsumaru, why is his opinion so darned confusing to you? Those four games appeal to him and as far as we know they'll remain on the PS3. Therefore he'll likely pick up a console for them.
You're free to criticise a machine but don't act as though you're speaking for everyone because, frankly, you ain't. You're entitled to your opinion, in fact, I completely agree with you when you say Sony is a bad company but it's the way you say it that annoys me. You don't know how the console will end up in 2 yeas time. Hell, you've not given it 6 months and you're so s ure of its failure.

[Mikewarrior]

I'm more annoyed at your accusations than angered. Its one thing to say you don't like a console or company but to use that as a fact is an entirely different matter. I don't like Sony. I think they are arrogant and whatnot, but I like where the PS3 is headed. Will I get one? Sure, maybe in a year or two when I can afford it but heck, if I could get it now I'd be all over it.
Just because I can't afford the console does not mean it sucks. All it means is that the console is expensive. Some may say overpriced but that's their opinion.
Us Europeans got the high-end of the stick with a price that's double that of the Japanese SRP, do you hear me complaining? Did you hear that the PS3 is also the fastest pre-ordered console in the Uk in many major retailers? So the whole 'Thats the reality for most people' doesn't really take the Europeans into account I guess.

As for Kinjutsumaru, why is his opinion so darned confusing to you? Those four games appeal to him and as far as we know they'll remain on the PS3. Therefore he'll likely pick up a console for them.
You're free to criticise a machine but don't act as though you're speaking for everyone because, frankly, you ain't. You're entitled to your opinion, in fact, I completely agree with you when you say Sony is a bad company but it's the way you say it that annoys me. You don't know how the console will end up in 2 yeas time. Hell, you've not given it 6 months and you're so s ure of its failure.

O.k. here we go again... Why is it YOU and other defenders put words in my mouth? = I never ever said the PS3 is a failure, it's just not doing what Sony consoles usually do when they launch (Sell out) at such a low volume of systems available. Also, I never once said I'm speaking for everyone... Didn't you see me asking him (Kinjutsumaru) questions? You tell me when I ever said that YOU or anyone else can't like Sony or their PS3... Answer those questions for me please?

And about that fastest selling pre-orders at major retailers... Don't you realize it was at ONE store only, and that the PS3 was a hot item on EBAY here in the U.S. but it fizzled out like a firecracker? So of course EBAY.UK will have a great effect on PS3 pre-orders when you account how well loved the PS2 is over there.

O.k. you like where the PS3 is going... Good for you. Now here's my reasons why I don't = They force a controlled format down your throat for an extra cost.. Yes it's forced if you really wanted the PS3. - They purposely made the tech WAY different than the 360's to make PS3 to 360 ports difficult for developers. - The hardware is not developer friendly nor are it's Dev kits making higher costs for game development not a good thing.

One last thing, If my typing skills annoy you that much, I would hope you get help soon.:peace:

[big isy]

Quote number 1, you actively search out a way to negate the PS3.
Game sales for games in Japan last week.

Trigger Heart Exelica DC Warashi 02/24/07 9,750
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.ph...eart%20Exelica

Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 Sega 02/24/07 8,000
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.ph...%20Fighter%205

LoL, now who would have thought this? Oh and btw...

Crackdown X360 Microsoft 02/24/07 16,250
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Crackdown

Quote number 2, here you are determined to knock a PS3 game down, despite knowing full well its a great game.
The PS3 has more than double the consoles sold in Japan over the 360, so how did Crackdown let alone a Dreamcast game for a dead system beat it out?

Quote number 3, three times better?! You don't ask for much do you?
And I wouldn't be a fanboy if the PS3 proved to be 3 times better like Sony said, or even better at all for the price.

Quote number 4, getting Kinj to refrain from buying the PS3? ouch.
Don't you think you'll need many more factual PS3 exclusives to make it worth spending $600+ on a game console? This is what I know for a fact...

quote number 5, the big one right here. Note; you said most people, reality is the Wii is the most appealing.
That's the reality for most people.

quote number 6. Its not forced though is it. BY buying a PS3 you're more than happy with the Blu-ray. The entire thing is a package.
They force a controlled format down your throat for an extra cost.. Yes it's forced if you really wanted the PS3.

quote number 7, hate to brak it to you, but the console broke pre order records in five major outlets not one. PLay.com, amazon.co.uk, game, gamestation and Argos.
Don't you realize it was at ONE store only

quote number 8, I believe the entire thread is a testament to this. In fact, you even went so far to say its a fact!
YOU or anyone else can't like Sony or their PS3... Answer those questions for me please?
re-quoting kinj statement.
Don't you think you'll need many more factual PS3 exclusives to make it worth spending $600+ on a game console? This is what I know for a fact..

quote number.....ah screw it. So Sony should have copied the 360, you know, to make it easier for devs to port games?
They purposely made the tech WAY different than the 360's to make PS3 to 360 ports difficult for developers.

next up, if dev kits was really that difficult to work with we wouldn't have those 4 stellar exclusives Kinj mentioned, seeing as they are 3rd party. Nor would any dev continue to work on the console.
The hardware is not developer friendly nor are it's Dev kits making higher costs for game development not a good thing.

So, in conclusion we can see that you're clearly not happy with the PS3, or rather Sony as a company. We've also seen that you can't quite understand how someone could like a Sony product, seeing as you questioned Kinj's decision to buy a PS3.
Would you honestly rather stick with the one console than be able to play all three? Pricing aside, could you honestly say to me that you think the PS3 isn't all that?

[Mikewarrior]

Bullcrap

Now you are on my shit list... When I said "I know for a fact" I was talking about MYSELF and that fact came AFTER it being said!

Also, you cut a paste parts that sound good for you to prove your point, while you leave out the beginning or the end of the sentence...Please don't be a hypocrite!

And here... Read this link (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/02/14/playstation-3-pre-orders-are-breaking-records-in-europe/) = Wow, ONE STORE!

Please get a clue.

[big isy]

I live in the UK, I watch the news. I think I know what goes on in my country, 5 stores have record pre orders. Woolworths isn't even a major outlet. Its bound to sell out all its shipments considering it only gets a fraction of what games retailers get which is why it doesn't even deserve mentioning.

As for the quotes, you asked me to quote you and so I did. I'm hardly gonna quote the stuff that's not relevant to the debate at hand.

Me get a clue? I'm afraid you lost it mate, I can't say I didn't try to knock some sense in to you but alas, you're gone.

When I said "I know for a fact" I was talking about MYSELF and that fact came AFTER it being said!
And what the heck does that even mean?! Do you even read your own stuff?

Oh, and for the record, the whole shit list thing means a lot to me, I love you too baby ;)

[Mikewarrior]

Quote:
YOU or anyone else can't like Sony or their PS3... Answer those questions for me please?

re-quoting kinj statement.

See it's those statements you fixed to show something I never said in such a way... here I'll put it the way I really said it because you left out the beginning part... I said "You tell me when I ever said that YOU or anyone else can't like Sony or their PS3... Answer those questions for me please?"

Now I know why I dislike Sony fans.

[big isy]

Here ya go Mike, the full quote towards Kinj.
Now Kinjutsumaru, you listed 4 PS3 games that you can't be without (They could be good/bad/o.k./or great), and you have got to realize that all 4 of those games are 3rd party... Don't you think you'll need many more factual PS3 exclusives to make it worth spending $600+ on a game console? This is what I know for a fact...

so four of those games are 3rd party, I don't really see what that matters.
The whole 'don't you think you'll need man more factual PS3 exclusives......' made no sense, factual exclusives? what is that?

I also stated a number of times before I don't like Sony but think the PS3 is good machine, expensive sure, but good nonetheless.
I don't own a Sony electrical item save for the PSP which was given as a gift and some Sony headphones....which I nicked from my brother. So I'm not a Sony fanboy. Only ever stuck with the PSone, had the PS2 but sold it because it didn't interest me.

You, on the other hand are an anti-Sony fanboy. Not the first too. You actively search out ways to undermine their electrical goods. You question peoples decisions to buy their products. I'm sure you're a great guy, but this whole 'Sony sucks' thing is getting a little tired now.
How about we keep these forums for the 360 like they were intended to be used and leave the Sony talk to the Playstation forums?
Lets walk away from this long assed debate whilst we're still sane and agree to disagree. Truce?

[Mikewarrior]

I live in the UK, I watch the news. I think I know what goes on in my country, 5 stores have record pre orders. Woolworths isn't even a major outlet. Its bound to sell out all its shipments considering it only gets a fraction of what games retailers get which is why it doesn't even deserve mentioning. = Please, get a clue and serch Google... You will only find that ONE store.

As for the quotes, you asked me to quote you and so I did. I'm hardly gonna quote the stuff that's not relevant to the debate at hand. = Too bad you cropped the parts to ignorantly fuel your beliefs.

Me get a clue? I'm afraid you lost it mate, I can't say I didn't try to knock some sense in to you but alas, you're gone. = I'm not gone, right here buddy... Sony stated the PS3 was going to be this super computer (Xbox 1.5 remember?) They stated that it was 3 times more powerful and has twice the FLOPs like that is important for games. I said And I wouldn't be a fanboy if the PS3 proved to be 3 times better like Sony said, OR EVEN BETTER AT ALL FOR THE PRICE. Dude, it's you who is lost.


And what the heck does that even mean?! Do you even read your own stuff? = That you added an ending and a start of another sentence together from my post to get what you wanted... you are manipulating what is really being said.

...

[big isy]

...

*sigh*
Where did I add to your statements? C'mon, I'm trying to drop this whole sorry excuse for a debate and you keep dredging up things like 'I added to your statement'. I can't see a single quote I manipulated, cropped yes, but again, I'm not going to quote an entire post you wrote.

Do you also realise you just cropped my statement? It happens mate, we don't quote entire posts.

[hithisislee]

i must have been living under a rock or something b/c I am shocked by those numbers. I really expected 360 to outsell the ps3 by a large number

[Mikewarrior]

Here ya go Mike, the full quote towards Kinj.


so four of those games are 3rd party, I don't really see what that matters.
The whole 'don't you think you'll need man more factual PS3 exclusives......' made no sense, factual exclusives? what is that? = Games that are for sure won't come to the 360... I mean what is the point to buy a $600 game system for 3rd party games if all the 3rd party games have a great chance to come to the 360 also... Games justify a game console purchase, yes?

I also stated a number of times before I don't like Sony but think the PS3 is good machine, expensive sure, but good nonetheless.
I don't own a Sony electrical item save for the PSP which was given as a gift and some Sony headphones....which I nicked from my brother. So I'm not a Sony fanboy. Only ever stuck with the PSone, had the PS2 but sold it because it didn't interest me. = O.k. I don't know what that has to do about you disliking what I have to say.

You, on the other hand are an anti-Sony fanboy. Not the first too. You actively search out ways to undermine their electrical goods. = Sorry if you think so, but I don't write all the bad articles about them.

You question peoples decisions to buy their products. I'm sure you're a great guy, but this whole 'Sony sucks' thing is getting a little tired now. = There you go again... I never said Sony sucks (I dislike what they are doing, sure) and I ask people legitimate questions... I at least never hate on them like many do to me, over my findings of a damn plastic game system, now who's the sad one?

Lets walk away from this long assed debate whilst we're still sane and agree to disagree. Truce? = Sure.

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[Mikewarrior]

*sigh*
Where did I add to your statements? C'mon, I'm trying to drop this whole sorry excuse for a debate and you keep dredging up things like 'I added to your statement'. I can't see a single quote I manipulated, cropped yes, but again, I'm not going to quote an entire post you wrote.

Do you also realise you just cropped my statement? It happens mate, we don't quote entire posts.

Yes, but you cropped a sentence while adding the first part of another to prove a point... You are in the wrong.

[Mikewarrior]

i must have been living under a rock or something b/c I am shocked by those numbers. I really expected 360 to outsell the ps3 by a large number

In Japan?

[big isy]

Yes, but you cropped a sentence while adding the first part of another to prove a point... You are in the wrong.

what? where? Are you talking about the kinj quote? Cos I thought it was pretty obvious what I did there.

[big isy]

= There you go again... I never said Sony sucks (I dislike what they are doing, sure) and I ask people legitimate questions... I at least never hate on them like many do to me, over my findings of a damn plastic game system, now who's the sad one?


Hate on you? I simply tried explaining to you how the VF5 title sold more than Crackdown had in its launch week. And my rant on the Sony products thing was in regards to you calling me a SOny fanboy, I was simply explaining my history with Sony products and how I, clearly, have no interest in defending them.

[Mikewarrior]

what? where? Are you talking about the kinj quote? Cos I thought it was pretty obvious what I did there.

:help: O.k. Here is what you quoted... Don't you think you'll need many more factual PS3 exclusives to make it worth spending $600+ on a game console? This is what I know for a fact..."

"YOU or anyone else can't like Sony or their PS3... Answer those questions for me please?"

Now, here is what’s really said by me… ""Don't you think you'll need many more factual PS3 exclusives to make it worth spending $600+ on a game console?"

"You tell me when I ever said that YOU or anyone else can't like Sony or their PS3... Answer those questions for me please?"

Now do you see the difference?

[big isy]

I really didn't want to have to quote you saying this as I'm sure you didn't mean it but here's two different quotes taken from two different posts both saying the same thing.
Both quotes saying if I consider myself to be a gamer I should know the 360 is better.

Gamers... Want games right? Developers make the games and the 360 is the system that is most loved by them, because it's the best console hardware to make their games on. And lets not forget library & price of the many cheap games that the 360 has now, unlike the PS3. So if you are a gamer (And you call yourself one) the 360 is the best system for you right now for a fact.

To say that the 360 doesn't have the quality of games like the PS3 is a joke and you know it. And right now for a fact the 360 has more SPORTS/SHOOTERS/ACTION/ADVENTURE/RTS/STRATEGY/ and yes even RPGs than the PS3 has now and upcoming into the future.

So if you call yourself a gamer... The 360 is for a fact the best system for you no doubt about it.[

[Mikewarrior]

Hate on you? I simply tried explaining to you how the VF5 title sold more than Crackdown had in its launch week. And my rant on the Sony products thing was in regards to you calling me a SOny fanboy, I was simply explaining my history with Sony products and how I, clearly, have no interest in defending them.

First of all I didn't say you (You are reading into things way too much) and yes I know VF5 sold more than Crackdown, but compared to PS3 systems sold, it isn't much. To think after 3 weeks of VF5 being out a game like Crackdown comes out for the weak selling in Japan 360, and it can outsell a VF5 game on the PS3 is pretty amazing/funny & shocking at the same time... And this is why I posted this thread.

[big isy]

VF5 was also originally designed to be and always has played better in the arcades and the arcade culture in Japan is huge therefore a game that's available to both arcades and home consoles is always going to be liked more in the arcades. That's why sales haven't been all that great, I wouldn't be surprised to see semi-poor sales of Virtua Tennis 3.

[Mikewarrior]

I really didn't want to have to quote you saying this as I'm sure you didn't mean it but here's two different quotes taken from two different posts both saying the same thing.
Both quotes saying if I consider myself to be a gamer I should know the 360 is better.

Well it is known to have more and better games, yes?

[big isy]

known to have more games, but better is subjective, that's something you said in another thread ;)

Both consoles have great titles on them. Right now I prefer the 360 but I wouldn't call someone who likes the PS3 titles a non-gamer. He's entitled to his own opinion just as you or I am.

[Mikewarrior]

VF5 was also originally designed to be and always has played better in the arcades and the arcade culture in Japan is huge therefore a game that's available to both arcades and home consoles is always going to be liked more in the arcades. That's why sales haven't been all that great, I wouldn't be surprised to see semi-poor sales of Virtua Tennis 3.

That's a lame Sony fan excuse... I'm not calling you one, just that you might have heard that kind of reasoning before from a Sony fan. Wouldn't you think that all the PS3 owners in Japan that plays VF5 in the arcades would want that same game on their home console so that they can practice for free after the initial price of the game? Since when did a famous Japanese arcade game sell poorly on a Japanese console? Hell, famous Japanese arcade games in Japan sell consoles.. So why not the PS3?

[big isy]

That's a lame Sony fan excuse... I'm not calling you one, just that you might have heard that kind of reasoning before from a Sony fan. Wouldn't you think that all the PS3 owners in Japan that plays VF5 in the arcades would want that same game on their home console so that they can practice for free after the initial price of the game? Since when did a famous Japanese arcade game sell poorly on a Japanese console? Hell, famous Japanese arcade games in Japan sell consoles.. So why not the PS3?

I'm not making excuses for the game. All I'm saying is that it sold well. It's sold more than Crackdown and that was your point right? To show that Crackdown beat it in the charts?

[Mikewarrior]

Right now I prefer the 360 but I wouldn't call someone who likes the PS3 titles a non-gamer. He's entitled to his own opinion just as you or I am.

It is subjective, but I have always recognized that the PS3 has at least one good game from launch and it now has VF5. However, most games are going to both consoles and the 360 has a lot more exclusives now... For a Sony fan to think that the same games are bad on the 360 because they are on the 360 is very, very ignorant when they are coming out better in graphics/performance.

Heck, COD2 (A launch PC port) runs at 60fps on 360 while a built from the ground up on PS3 tech, Resistance only runs at 30fps... Does it make it bad, I never said that... But it does get to me when Sony states they can do 120fps in 1080P.

[Mikewarrior]

I'm not making excuses for the game. All I'm saying is that it sold well. It's sold more than Crackdown and that was your point right? To show that Crackdown beat it in the charts?

The thing is, is that Crackdown (360) should have never beat a game like VF5 (PS3) in Japan only after 3 weeks on a console that has sold more than double... That is the point.

[big isy]

I agree with Sony misleading their fanbase, hell you'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see through them. But liking or disliking games is much more than mere visuals and technical specs. Sometimes the most simplistic of games can be great. Geomotry wars and FlOw for example are so simple yet work extremely well.
VF5 isn't sell as well as it could but on that note, the 360 isn't selling as well as it should over there, its not something to laugh about. We need these game to sell in order to get more quality products from the devs.

[big isy]

The thing is, is that Crackdown (360) should have never beat a game like VF5 (PS3) in Japan only after 3 weeks on a console that has sold more than double... That is the point.

Maybe they're waiting for the 360 version :lol:
In either case VF5 still sold more than Crackdown did on launch.

[Mikewarrior]

We need these game to sell in order to get more quality products from the devs.

Well I'm not laughing about it... It's more like a funny shocking sort of thing. it's something I never would have expected. I also completely agree with that part of yours I quoted.... I just want Sony to change to be much better and to actually give to gaming with the things they say. The PS3 is not and sadly the only way it seems for them to change is for the PS3 to fail a little in their own eyes, because if they win.. it definitely won't help.

[big isy]

I honestly believe they'll come out on top, again. People eat Sony, it's just how it works. The thing could be rubbish (not that I think the PS3 is rubbish, mind) and people would still buy into it.
I'm hoping the PS3 does well enough to make a profit but it doesn't establish the clear market lead. I'd rather have Nintendo take pole position as they've had their teeth kicked before and know what it's like to get burned.

[Mikewarrior]

I honestly believe they'll come out on top, again. People eat Sony, it's just how it works. The thing could be rubbish (not that I think the PS3 is rubbish, mind) and people would still buy into it.
I'm hoping the PS3 does well enough to make a profit but it doesn't establish the clear market lead. I'd rather have Nintendo take pole position as they've had their teeth kicked before and know what it's like to get burned.

It's funny you say that... Sony from the get go in wanting to enter the videogame business started working with Nintendo while wanting to screw them over at the same time. Atari/Nintendo were also arrogant at one time and that they burned themselves... Sony is doing the same.

What goes around, comes around.

[big isy]

Indeed it does. I'm not sure we're quite at that point with Sony though. They seem to be getting on okay, even with all the negative press. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

P.S- I gotta say, that was an intense debate, dragged on in the middle but great nonetheless. Touché! ;)
What say we drop this retarded debate now and move on? *offers hand as sign of good faith*

[Mikewarrior]

Indeed it does. I'm not sure we're quite at that point with Sony though. They seem to be getting on okay, even with all the negative press. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

P.S- I gotta say, that was an intense debate, dragged on in the middle but great nonetheless. Touché! ;)
What say we drop this retarded debate now and move on? *offers hand as sign of good faith*

Haha, no prob bro.:grinking:






;)

[Mikewarrior]

Just re-read this thread... Man, these were the days.

Have I ever said, how I love being right?