NFL Playoffs Thread

[verteBRae]

Might as well get this going, as the post-season is right around the corner.

As a diehard Indy fan, I have the outmost optimism regarding the playoffs, with Marvin coming back from injury, and thanks to Kenton Keith and Dawson, Joseph Addai should have much needed fresh legs for a Super Bowl "run" (pun intended). Our defense has been lights out all year, with much credit belonging to Bob Sanders who just signed a beautiful 5 year contract extension which makes him the highest paid safety in the league (well deserved money, IMO). Hopefully Mathis returns to action so we have at least one beast on the D-Line. It is our weakest link ATM, with Freeney on IR.

To be perfectly honest with you, with Superbowl 41 going to the Colts, anybody taking the cake this year other than New England will make me happy.

GO BLUE!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/section_six/ColtsWEAREREADYcopy.jpg
(something I made a year ago, rather fitting)

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[DeaconBlade]

i agree...anyone but NE. i'm sure the Colts like people overlooking them though. i hope people keep praising the Pats. it'll hopefully make every other team give them a little extra to knock them the hell out of the playoffs!!

Go Cowboys!

[verteBRae]

I really don't know if the NFC stands a chance, AGAIN, this year.
The winner of the Superbowl will be from the AFC, yet again, IMO.

:shocking:

[DJSteel]

If the Steelers don't do it.. I'll be rooting for the Jags...

[IRISH]

If the Steelers don't do it.. I'll be rooting for the Jags...

I gotta agree with you here DJ...everytime I watch them play they remind me of the Steelers...and that's exactly what Del Rio? was going for...in the NFC, I will be most likely rooting for GB (gotta love Favre)and maybe even Dallas (not kissin deac's arse...lol.)

[xStArDoMx]

Bah. Screw you guys. Go Pats!

[DJSteel]

F the cheaters..

[xStArDoMx]

Well, we went 16 and 0...

Time for the playoffs...

[DJSteel]

more luck than anything... but you know what they say..better to be lucky than good..

[verteBRae]

Agreed.
With some very VERY close games against Baltimore, Philly, and New York, there is no way I could call this team the best of all-time.

[verteBRae]

Cleveland up 7-0 right now.

[xStArDoMx]

Who would you call the best team of all time? The '72 Dolphins?

[DJSteel]

Who would you call the best team of all time? The '72 Dolphins?

nope..they were good but they played the Steelers at the most opportune time they ever could, Bradshaw was rusty coming off of injury...I'd say..pre-pass interference era - 78 Steelers.. post..would be a close contest between the '89 49ers and the '92 Cowboys...all three teams would handle their business against these Pats

[DeaconBlade]

lol @ the Browns! good for the Cowboys and next year's first round pick..although not by much...but still.

[xStArDoMx]

Yeah...I agree that the '78 Steelers were one hell of a team, but I still think the Pats could take care 'a business.

[DJSteel]

Yeah...I agree that the '78 Steelers were one hell of a team, but I still think the Pats could take care 'a business.

considering the Pats schedule..i doubt that...

[DeaconBlade]

there will be NO MORE talk of the stupid Pats!!! i got enough of the 6+ F'n hours of them over the weekend.

[Bobby Crougar]

dbl

[Bobby Crougar]

WILDCARD
NFC
Redskins > Seahawks
Giants > Bucs

AFC
Chargers > Titans
Steelers > Jags

Divisional
NFC
Redskins > Cowboys
Packers > Giants


AFC
Colts > Chargers
Steelers > Pats

NFC Championship
Packers > Skins

AFC Championship
Steelers > Colts

Super Bowl
Steelers > Packers

[verteBRae]

WILDCARD
NFC
Redskins > Seahawks
Giants > Bucs

AFC
Chargers > Titans
Steelers > Jags

Divisional
NFC
Redskins > Cowboys
Packers > Giants


AFC
Colts > Chargers
Steelers > Pats

NFC Championship
Packers > Skins

AFC Championship
Steelers > Colts

Super Bowl
Steelers > Packers


Hmm....respectable, but very biased.

[Bobby Crougar]

Hmm....respectable, but very biased.

The steel city blood in my veins won't allow me to type anything different...but If I had to make a change...Pats beat us, lose to Colts, Pack beats Colts so B.Favre retires with one of the greatest football stories ever...except he doesn't retire and repeats in 2009.


...that would be one hell of a story!

[DeaconBlade]

it ain't gonna happen. the road goes through Dallas and we'll spoil any chance of that happening ;)

[Bobby Crougar]

it ain't gonna happen. the road goes through Dallas and we'll spoil any chance of that happening ;)

I expect nothing less from a Cowgirl fan but the Skins are peaking at the right time while your boys are moving in the wrong direction. If they are not careful they'll be watching the playoffs from their TV's!

[DeaconBlade]

:lmao: it was a meaningless game. we won the game we had to in Carolina. nothing else matters. now it's time to rest up and beat the shit out of whomever comes to Texas Stadium (the Bucs).

[verteBRae]

I'm thinking the Giants will be visiting Texas Stadium.

[verteBRae]

The steel city blood in my veins won't allow me to type anything different...but If I had to make a change...Pats beat us, lose to Colts, Pack beats Colts so B.Favre retires with one of the greatest football stories ever...except he doesn't retire and repeats in 2009.


...that would be one hell of a story!

Yup, and as long as the Patriots lose, it'll be another great story!
Well, especially for a Colts fan.

[DJSteel]

seriously as long as 2 teams don't win it I'll be happy... Pats and Cowgirls...

[Da Rafsta]

Jags can and will beat the Pats but won't be able to beat the Colts. Pats can beat Colts. Steelers can't beat Jags, Colts or Pats so their days are numbered.

I think there's going to be some weeping in Dallas.

[dionysusolympus]

with Jessica Simpson there, there's always weeping. :quagmire:

[caleb]

I hope the Cowboys can pull their heads out and get back on track, that and the Pats get slaughtered by anyone...

[DeaconBlade]

i concur with the second part of your statement...i hope the Pats get their asses kicked! but the Cowboys are fine.

[DJSteel]

The Steelers just lost another OL... ugh.. this game with Jacksonville will be tough...

[AeroHudson]

I'm alright with any of the teams taking it except for the Steelers or the Pats. I have a feeling the Steelers will be out after the first game. The Jags are looking very good.

The only team I see taking the Pats out are the Colts. If the Pat's make it past them I think they win the SB no offense to Dallas or GB fans out there. I just think the Pats will destroy any NFC team they get the opportunity to play.

[dionysusolympus]

agreed, the Pats are a tough nut to crack this year. Even when they play badly, they are good enough to win, but the status of the rest of teams don't appear that way (with the exception of maybe the Colts).

[DJSteel]

the Jags could take em out..

[DeaconBlade]

the Pats can suck the big one dammit! no way they get past the Colts...hell maybe not even the Jags or Steelers in the 2nd round. (i hope)

[Da Rafsta]

I really think the Jags can take out the Pats no problems.

[AeroHudson]

I'm not saying the Jags can't do it but what I am saying is that the more probably team to pull it off is the Colts. The Colts came pretty close to beating them a couple of months ago and that is when they were banged up pretty bad. Now you have most of those injury problems rectified and the Colts are playing pretty well down the stretch.

The Jags are hot right now and anything is possible. To be honest, I really don't care who beats the Pats as long as they are taken down.

[DJSteel]

without Harrison.. the Colts are easier to defend...thus making their offense weaker without the deep threat...

[Da Rafsta]

The Jags only stumbling block is the Colts. The Colts simply have all of the AFC South's number.

[Da Rafsta]

without Harrison.. the Colts are easier to defend...thus making their offense weaker without the deep threat...

Harrison is back though. Granted, not 100% but he's still there to contribute. Opposing defenses will have to account for him.

[AeroHudson]

without Harrison.. the Colts are easier to defend...thus making their offense weaker without the deep threat...

Harrison is back now, right? I know that he was ready to play last week but didn't at the last minute. I would expect that he will be ready for the playoffs with 2 weeks more of rest and definitelt ready for New England the next week if it's the Pats and Colts in the AFC Championship game.

[DJSteel]

They are saying he is back.. he has yet to really play...once he is in the game.. then I'll say he is back.. until then he is still injured

[Bobby Crougar]

The Jags won't even get through Heinz field! We going to show how inexperience the Jaggies really are even if we are banged up with a depleted OL. We will :shocking::shocking::shocking: the world once again! Bring on the haters!

[AeroHudson]

The Jags won't even get through Heinz field! We going to show how inexperience the Jaggies really are even if we are banged up with a depleted OL. We will :shocking::shocking::shocking: the world once again! Bring on the haters!

I guess that's why the Steelers lost to the Jags a couple of weeks ago, right? ;)

[Bobby Crougar]

I guess that's why the Steelers lost to the Jags a couple of weeks ago, right? ;)

Yeah we didn't want to show any of our important plays. We save them for the big game.
:bananadance:

[verteBRae]

That must be it!
Crougar for prez!
How is VF5 online, by the way?

[Bobby Crougar]

That must be it!
Crougar for prez!
How is VF5 online, by the way?

The 1st time I played was yesterday but me and Paniro got a few good fights in. It's obvious the online was an after thought but its a fighter and all we need is an opponent to play and it does that well. You have to leave a fight to change your character though, so I'd suggest you join a private chat with a friend before you start. I've yet to play a ranked match and won't anytime soon. (Practice, Practice, Practice) Also if your a top tier VF5 player the slight delay of online may deter you but it's fine with me..not bad enough to hamper my fun.

[DeaconBlade]

sorry DJ, Bobby and Irish. :( Go Jags whoop those Pats' ass!

[DJSteel]

we lost by a phantom holding call...what bs..

[IRISH]

we lost by a phantom holding call...what bs..
and giving up a 30 yd rush on a 4th and 2...there were plenty of missed holding calls that I saw as well...as soon as I saw the umpire was reffing his first ever playoff game I knew we were gonna get hosed at least a few times...

:rolleyes:

[SpeedracerCJR]

we lost by a phantom holding call...what bs..

mwuahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah (breath) muwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

I'm gonna go buy a Jag jersey and wear it around all the time now! LMAO

[Viper86]

Way to go Jags!

[Scarecrow]

mwuahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah (breath) muwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

I'm gonna go buy a Jag jersey and wear it around all the time now! LMAO


Always the prick, huh Speed;)

[Da Rafsta]

we lost by a phantom holding call...what bs..

steelers were supposed to lose regardless. Besides...that facemask Ward got on the Jags defender resulting in a first down with a pass interference bogus call... Only reason Steelers came back was cause the idiot Jags played football unlike themselves. When they led in the game by 18 points....the numb-skulls begin passing the ball like they were the Colts or Pats or some shit. Retarded. They didn't run the ball enough, actually far from it and for it, they almost lost the game.

They better learn their lesson and learn it fast going against the Pats. Otherwise...don't even show up.

[SpeedracerCJR]

Always the prick, huh Speed;)

yep, especially with how sickening the steeler fans are around here. I live 25 mins from pitts and it's just gross how many ppl wear steelers shit

[DJSteel]

yep, especially with how sickening the steeler fans are around here. I live 25 mins from pitts and it's just gross how many ppl wear steelers shit

dude..uniontown is pretty much pittsburgh...although I don't venture down there much..

[SpeedracerCJR]

dude..uniontown is pretty much pittsburgh...although I don't venture down there much..

i don't live in uniontown you wanker, i live in Washington

[DJSteel]

no difference really

[AeroHudson]

Today is a good day! Anytime the Steelers lose it's a good day! I also wouldn't blame the officiating on the loss. I think Big Ben's pathetic performance had more to do with the loss than the any other factor IMHO. You can't throw 3 pics and expect to win.

What have I always said about the Steelers? The more passes Big Ben has to throw the greater the chance they will lose. You cannot put the game on Big Ben's back and expect good things. The Steelers will lose if they pass more than they run 9 times out of 10.

[DJSteel]

Today is a good day! Anytime the Steelers lose it's a good day! I also wouldn't blame the officiating on the loss. I think Big Ben's pathetic performance had more to do with the loss than the any other factor IMHO. You can't throw 3 pics and expect to win.

What have I always said about the Steelers? The more passes Big Ben has to throw the greater the chance they will lose. You cannot put the game on Big Ben's back and expect good things. The Steelers will lose if they pass more than they run 9 times out of 10.

please... take your lack of football knowledge somewhere else.. yes the 3 ints sucked.. but that is not what lost the game.. 6 sacks and a lack of a running game is what killed them.. their OL is horrible.. Big Ben threw 300+ yds and 2 TDs.. one int really mattered the other ones were not game killers.. Another thing was their special teams really suck.. They need to fix that and their OL big time this off-season...

but your boys better be careful... another bad season.. Palmer might want to be traded...

[AeroHudson]

please... take your lack of football knowledge somewhere else.. yes the 3 ints sucked.. but that is not what lost the game.. 6 sacks and a lack of a running game is what killed them.. their OL is horrible.. Big Ben threw 300+ yds and 2 TDs.. one int really mattered the other ones were not game killers.. Another thing was their special teams really suck.. They need to fix that and their OL big time this off-season...

but your boys better be careful... another bad season.. Palmer might want to be traded...

We're talking the playoffs here DJ so even though you are insulted don't bring other teams that have no relevance to the discussion. All you are doing is trying to take the attention away from the fact that your Steelers either can't make it to the playoffs or have lost in the first round for the last 2 years.

As far as football knowledge goes, a blind man can see it. Why do you think Ben threw a bunch? Well, do you think the lack of the running game had something to do with it? Yup!

Regardless of the reason, when Ben throws more than the Steelers run the football they lose more times than not. It's a statistical fact. Go look it up.

The only reason why the Steelers hung in there and the game was close was due to Garrard throwing 2 pics in the game and the Jags going flat in the 2nd half. If that doesn't happen the game would have been a blowout.

[DJSteel]

We're talking the playoffs here DJ so even though you are insulted don't bring other teams that have no relevance to the discussion. All you are doing is trying to take the attention away from the fact that your Steelers either can't make it to the playoffs or have lost in the first round for the last 2 years.

As far as football knowledge goes, a blind man can see it. Why do you think Ben threw a bunch? Well, do you think the lack of the running game had something to do with it? Yup!

Regardless of the reason, when Ben throws more than the Steelers run the football they lose more times than not. It's a statistical fact. Go look it up.

The only reason why the Steelers hung in there and the game was close was due to Garrard throwing 2 pics in the game and the Jags going flat in the 2nd half. If that doesn't happen the game would have been a blowout.

It's a fact he has thrown just as many times as last season... It is a fact his stats are better than last year.. 32 Tds 11 ints vs 18 tds 23 ints...

The facts are he is becoming a good passing QB. the problem is persistent with the OL.. he almost has the same amount of yds and sacks last year.. the difference is he is getting better at decision making...

and as it pertains to your amusing post about the Steelers failures the past two seasons...you really should talk about such things..especially with your team and it's lack of success..

[AeroHudson]

It's a fact he has thrown just as many times as last season... It is a fact his stats are better than last year.. 32 Tds 11 ints vs 18 tds 23 ints...

The facts are he is becoming a good passing QB. the problem is persistent with the OL.. he almost has the same amount of yds and sacks last year.. the difference is he is getting better at decision making...

and as it pertains to your amusing post about the Steelers failures the past two seasons...you really should talk about such things..especially with your team and it's lack of success..

(**sarcasm**)But wait...one man can overcome all of that and make the Steelers a winning football team. I really have to question Ben's ability to lead a team with the struggles they have had over the past 2 seasons. (**/sarcasm**):d

[Bobby Crougar]

Why am I not surprised that you two are going at it again?

I wouldn't say that the better team won but the Jags did what they needed to do when they needed it done. Considering we had a banged up offensive line, no running game, and Ben's horrible 1st half, I'd say we played one hell of a game and put ourselves in a good position to win. You can always play the "what if" game though that doesn't concern me....I found the teams character, will to win and their ability to overcome incredible odds more interesting. As a football fan you had to love (or hate) what we did that 4th quarter...shit was amazing!

Looking forward to next year now that the coach and offensive coordinator has some playoff experience. We have to get our O line healthy and dominant, and our special teams needs an overhaul.

[DJSteel]

(**sarcasm**)But wait...one man can overcome all of that and make the Steelers a winning football team. I really have to question Ben's ability to lead a team with the struggles they have had over the past 2 seasons. (**/sarcasm**):d

lol.. you are too funny...

[AeroHudson]

lol.. you are too funny...

;)...

[Practorian]

Sorry DJ, Aero is exactly right on this one. If you take just one of those Big Ben picks away the Steelers win. Buckling under the pressure and coughing up the ball at the end were just icing on the cake. Your "big time" guy folded under pressure again. At least in the Superbowl Ben had Bettis and a defense to cover his sorry performance, no such luck yesterday. Did I just hear you crying about your star player Parker being hurt? I'd call it justice, usually the Steelers benefit from scenerios like that.

[Practorian]

I forget to mention the horrible coaching. You know it's bad when Madden is calling you an idiot. Seriously, going for 2 points early in the game? Too funny.

[Bobby Crougar]

Sorry DJ, Aero is exactly right on this one. If you take just one of those Big Ben picks away the Steelers win. Buckling under the pressure and coughing up the ball at the end were just icing on the cake. Your "big time" guy folded under pressure again. At least in the Superbowl Ben had Bettis and a defense to cover his sorry performance, no such luck yesterday. Did I just hear you crying about your star player Parker being hurt? I'd call it justice, usually the Steelers benefit from scenerios like that.

I don't think Ben folded under pressure...when the pressure was really on he responded with one hell of a comeback. It just so happens that during a play where he needs extra time he was sacked (by the guy our 3rd stringer was blocking) ...it was unfortunate but Ben definitely didn't fold. As for the two points...that was the perfect time to make a judgment call...which at 1st we did convert...unfortunately we were flagged (phantom call?) and had to re-do.

[DeaconBlade]

hey..first year coach..he did alright. Big Ben was just too sporadic.

[DJSteel]

C'mon Bobby.. it's Ben's fault Jones-Drew ran that kick off back..and he should have been playing safety when Jones scored the other touchdown...

[paniro777]

its really hard for you pitt fans to put any blame on big ben for losses it seems.

[DJSteel]

hey..first year coach..he did alright. Big Ben was just too sporadic.


lmao.. 28 tds and 11 ints is sporadic???

[DJSteel]

its really hard for you pitt fans to put any blame on big ben for losses it seems.


dude you KNOW I totally blamed last year on Cowher and Big Ben..

[paniro777]

this isn't last year, lol.

[AeroHudson]

its really hard for you pitt fans to put any blame on big ben for losses it seems.

My sentiments exactly. They think Palmer isn't a leader and when the Bengals lose it's on his shoulders. When Pittsburgh loses it's either the officiating or something other than Ben. LMAO!

[DJSteel]

this isn't last year, lol.


that is not the point...the point is I don't have a problem blaming him.. yes the 3 ints suck..

[AeroHudson]

that is not the point...the point is I don't have a problem blaming him.. yes the 3 ints suck..

You take away those 3 TOs and Pittsburgh wins that game. The Steelers impact player on offense failed them and they are out of the playoffs as a result.

[DJSteel]

You take away those 3 TOs and Pittsburgh wins that game. The Steelers impact player on offense failed them and they are out of the playoffs as a result.


take the horrible special teams away.. the Steelers win.. the Steelers don't tackle Mac Jones Drew.. he takes the the kick off down to the 2 yd line.. the ended up a td.. the punt return to the 50.. all the Jags needed was 20 yds for Scobee and they allowed the Jags return it to 50...

[AeroHudson]

take the horrible special teams away.. the Steelers win.. the Steelers don't tackle Mac Jones Drew.. he takes the the kick off down to the 2 yd line.. the ended up a td.. the punt return to the 50.. all the Jags needed was 20 yds for Scobee and they allowed the Jags return it to 50...

Again, turn overs kill teams. Those 3 interceptions were the main contributing factor to the loss. You turn the ball over 3 times you cannot expect to win plain and simple.

[Bobby Crougar]

its really hard for you pitt fans to put any blame on big ben for losses it seems.

lol The blame could be placed on many...including Ben....we all could play the "what if" game....all that leads to is speculation, pointless discussions, and silly back-n-forth arguments. I won't participate in those. All I'm saying was that Ben didn't fold under pressure...if that were true we wouldn't have had any chance to win and the score would be greater than a one point margin. But we did have a chance to win and it was because of his (and the offense) perseverance.

[DJSteel]

Again, turn overs kill teams. Those 3 interceptions were the main contributing factor to the loss. You turn the ball over 3 times you cannot expect to win plain and simple.

why you place all of the blame on Ben.. we can agree to disagree... Ben does have some blame but you cannot blame him everything that went wrong...

[Bobby Crougar]

Again, turn overs kill teams. Those 3 interceptions were the main contributing factor to the loss. You turn the ball over 3 times you cannot expect to win plain and simple.

I'd have to disagree with you on this. The turnovers hurt but they weren't the main factor for the loss. I'd say the field possession game played a much larger role at very key moments of the game.

[AeroHudson]

why you place all of the blame on Ben.. we can agree to disagree... Ben does have some blame but you cannot blame him everything that went wrong...

I'm taking your lead...you blame a significant portion on the Bengals not being able to sustain a turn around on Palmer not being a good leader. Can't the same be said for Ben and his inability to the lead the team in the final stretch to win this ball game and to fail at winning a playoff game for the last 2 years?

[DJSteel]

I'm taking your lead...you blame a significant portion on the Bengals not being able to sustain a turn around on Palmer not being a good leader. Can't the same be said for Ben and his inability to the lead the team in the final stretch to win this ball game and to fail at winning a playoff game for the last 2 years?

:beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:

please go away troll

[paniro777]

Big ben can do no wrong, lmfao. If they win he's the greatest young QB in the league. When they lose its "the O-line, no running game, refs, etc."

First off, after that steeler vs seahawk superbowl win, i think steeler fans have lost all rights to gripe about bad officiating costing a team the game, it will never be worse than it was in that superbowl. Every game has bad calls.

Big ben stunk up the first half man, big time, point blank period. And that shaped the entire game. Other things happened in the course of the game, right. But the momentum was all in the jags favor early, mainly due to big bens INTs. It gave them the big cushion they needed and they rode that wave all the way to victory. Just face it. They were the major factor in the game.

Any other QB did what ben did, and his team loses, you'd be all over him, i.e., if it was palmer.

[DJSteel]

dude.. I never said he didn't deserve some of the blame...

[paniro777]

dude.. I never said he didn't deserve some of the blame...

i'm not saying you are not giving him any of the blame. I'm saying Pitts best player, team leader and QB played an awful first half, made big mistakes with the turnovers, and was the main reason they got into the hole they got into, which ultimately was too big a whole to overcome.

You try to put it off on a lot of other factors when it comes to big ben playing bad in a pitt loss. You seem to never grant the same leniancy to palmer when the bengals lose, when palmer plays good. You place it all on palmer and say he's not a leader. Can't have it both ways.

Big Ben is a very good young QB, but he didn't come thru for his boys yesterday.

[DJSteel]

this coming from Kordell Stewart's biggest fan...lol

[Bobby Crougar]

I'm saying Pitts best player, team leader and QB played an awful first half, made big mistakes with the turnovers, and was the main reason they got into the hole they got into, which ultimately was too big a whole to overcome.

It gave them the big cushion they needed and they rode that wave all the way to victory. Just face it. They were the major factor in the game.

I have to disagree. If in fact the hole was to deep for us to get out of...why did we get out of it to take the lead late in the 4th? Did Ben put us in that hole? YES! Did he get us out of that same hole? YES!

Like I said the major factor was the field position and not the int's. As for the Carson Palmer analogy...that's all from DJ....don't try to lump all Steeler fans together. :lol:

[AeroHudson]

i'm not saying you are not giving him any of the blame. I'm saying Pitts best player, team leader and QB played an awful first half, made big mistakes with the turnovers, and was the main reason they got into the hole they got into, which ultimately was too big a whole to overcome.

You try to put it off on a lot of other factors when it comes to big ben playing bad in a pitt loss. You seem to never grant the same leniancy to palmer when the bengals lose, when palmer plays good. You place it all on palmer and say he's not a leader. Can't have it both ways.

Big Ben is a very good young QB, but he didn't come thru for his boys yesterday.

Very well said...you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either QB's are leaders of their respective teams and they set the tone for if a team wins or not or it takes a team to win and lose games not just one man.

I'm a fan of the later personally since there 52 men on an NFL roster. ;)

[paniro777]

I have to disagree. If in fact the hole was to deep for us to get out of...why did we get out of it to take the lead late in the 4th? Did Ben put us in that hole? YES! Did he get us out of that same hole? YES!

Like I said the major factor was the field position and not the int's. As for the Carson Palmer analogy...that's all from DJ....don't try to lump all Steeler fans together. :lol:

Bobby, point is, if ben didn't put them into the hole, and the rest of the game played out exactly as it did, with yall running game not ballin, and your defense not tackling as DJ blamed it, yall still would have won.

Any team that starts out with 3 turnovers in the first half giving the other team a 2 TD lead, that is almost always cause for disaster and a loss. Doesn't matter what team is playing what, or who is the QB.

[DJSteel]

Very well said...you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either QB's are leaders of their respective teams and they set the tone for if a team wins or not or it takes a team to win and lose games not just one man.

I'm a fan of the later personally since there 52 men on an NFL roster. ;)

he stunk the joint up in the first half and set the tone...then he LED the team to 2nd half comeback... that is a leader...even if he plays poorly.. he can bring the the team back to give them the chance to win.

it was partial his fault they lost.. but he stepped up as a leader and led them on the comeback...if they would have lost 31-7.. I'd blame it mostly on Ben if was like that...

[DJSteel]

Bobby, point is, if ben didn't put them into the hole, and the rest of the game played out exactly as it did, with yall running game not ballin, and your defense not tackling as DJ blamed it, yall still would have won.

Any team that starts out with 3 turnovers in the first half giving the other team a 2 TD lead, that is almost always cause for disaster and a loss. Doesn't matter what team is playing what, or who is the QB.

Actually only one td was scored off of the int.. the others weren't scored directly off the ints..

[AeroHudson]

he stunk the joint up in the first half and set the tone...then he LED the team to 2nd half comeback... that is a leader...even if he plays poorly.. he can bring the the team back to give them the chance to win.

it was partial his fault they lost.. but he stepped up as a leader and led them on the comeback...if they would have lost 31-7.. I'd blame it mostly on Ben if was like that...

Whatever DJ...He got them in the hole they were in and he couldn't get them out. On top of that he fumbled the ball on the last meaningful play of the game when all they needed was three points to win.

Palmer had had the Bengals in just about every game he has played and kept them competitive. You would still say he isn't a leader. You are sounding very hypocritical here and I'm not the only one that sees it.

Ben stunk up the joint and he couldn't overcome the lousy play of the first half plain and simple.

[DJSteel]

he got them out of the hole.. they were winning...

[paniro777]

he got them out of the hole.. they were winning...

again, failing to realize, had Big Ben not put them in that hole, they would have not just climbed back into the game only to lose, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE WON!!!!!

Thats the point. Nobody is saying he gave up. Nobody is saying he didn't pull them back in the game. Nobody is saying he didn't play alright in the 2nd half. But just because he dug himself out of a hole back to break even, that doesn't make him a hero or a game saver IMO, at all. He still cost them the game just the same, its jsut that he damn near almost over-came his own bad play. Kudos to him. His bad start still cost them the game.

[DJSteel]

again, failing to realize, had Big Ben not put them in that hole, they would have not just climbed back into the game only to lose, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE WON!!!!!

Thats the point. Nobody is saying he gave up. Nobody is saying he didn't pull them back in the game. Nobody is saying he didn't play alright in the 2nd half. But just because he dug himself out of a whole back to break even, that doesn't make him a hero or a game saver IMO, at all. He still cost them the game just the same, its jsut that he damn near almost over-came his own bad play. Kudos to him. His bad start still cost them the game.

and I agreed that it was a part of it...:irked:

[Viper86]

Maybe Big Ben would have done better without those stupid gloves on. He doesn't seem to be nearly as accurate wearing those things.

[IRISH]

The Pittsburgh Steelers lost the game plain and simple...not Ben, not the OL, not special teams, not Mike Tomlin....the TEAM, although I'm very proud of our 4th qtr, did not do all of the necessary things to pull it off....am I bitter and saddened, yes, but do I point fingers at specific individuals? .... not this time...

[dionysusolympus]

Giants v. Cowboys should be a good game, if the good Manning shows up.

[DJSteel]

Giants v. Cowboys should be a good game, if the good Manning shows up.


Eli = Fred Clause..

[dionysusolympus]

and Romo is off in the islands somewhere with Jessica Simpson.


lol.


(and TO is riding his bicycle.)

[DeaconBlade]

it won't be as hard as people are making it out to be..the game that is. i'm not so sure why the world has fallen in love with the Giants in one week. Jeremy Shockey is the only Giant in recent years to give the Cowboys fits...Tiki Barber as well.

those two aren't playing. i know Roy Williams shouldn't be as much of a liability seeing as how Shockey used to just OWN him everytime they played the Giants. he doesn't have to worry about Shockey anymore.

that loss will be exposed moreso by the Cowboys than the Bucs could muster and if anyone thinks Joey Galloway (an injured Joey Galloway), a rusty Jeff Garcia and and a rookie RB pose more of a threat than TO, Glenn, Romo, Witten, Barber, Crayton etc...they don't know football.

[AeroHudson]

it won't be as hard as people are making it out to be..the game that is. i'm not so sure why the world has fallen in love with the Giants in one week. Jeremy Shockey is the only Giant in recent years to give the Cowboys fits...Tiki Barber as well.

those two aren't playing. i know Roy Williams shouldn't be as much of a liability seeing as how Shockey used to just OWN him everytime they played the Giants. he doesn't have to worry about Shockey anymore.

that loss will be exposed moreso by the Cowboys than the Bucs could muster and if anyone thinks Joey Galloway (an injured Joey Galloway), a rusty Jeff Garcia and and a rookie RB pose more of a threat than TO, Glenn, Romo, Witten, Barber, Crayton etc...they don't know football.

It all depends on which Eli shows up. We all know that the Giants D is top notch. They will hang with Dallas and disrupt Romo a bit. If they can do that and Eli shows up I think this game will be very close.

Either way, I don't have a dog in this hunt and I just hoping for a good competitive game. ;)

[DJSteel]

Giants have a good DL.. the rest of their defense is suspect..

[AeroHudson]

Giants have a good DL.. the rest of their defense is suspect..

It all starts with the DL and we have seen in the last several weeks that when you get in Romo's face he gets flustered. It will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure and/or if the OL of Dallas can keep him off the carpet.

[DeaconBlade]

so you're saying that the defensive line that has only sacked Romo twice in the two previous games they've played against the Cowboys will suddenly figure it out and harass Romo all game? when a healthy O-Line comes to play, a motivated O-Line who's sick of hearing how they're going to get smashed by the Gians?

please. easy blowout by the Cowboys just like the previous two games. a 3-4 defense bothers Manning moreso than a 4-3 bothers Romo. Eli and his brother are notoriously off against a 3-4 defense.

there is no cure. did i mention a healthy Terry Glenn is back? did i mention Anthony Henry is healthy for the first time all year....Newman is healthy for the first time all year...did i mention Marion Barber taking offense to the Giants saying he doesn't deserve a Pro Bowl spot? did i mention they've just pissed off the Barbarian?

i'm loving this though...because just like the media, the Giants are believing they're invincible now....they're buying into all the talk about how great they are...and that's good. let's see what a hobbled Burress, no TE, no CB's are going to do.

[AeroHudson]

so you're saying that the defensive line that has only sacked Romo twice in the two previous games they've played against the Cowboys will suddenly figure it out and harass Romo all game? when a healthy O-Line comes to play, a motivated O-Line who's sick of hearing how they're going to get smashed by the Gians?

please. easy blowout by the Cowboys just like the previous two games. a 3-4 defense bothers Manning moreso than a 4-3 bothers Romo. Eli and his brother are notoriously off against a 3-4 defense.

there is no cure. did i mention a healthy Terry Glenn is back? did i mention Anthony Henry is healthy for the first time all year....Newman is healthy for the first time all year...did i mention Marion Barber taking offense to the Giants saying he doesn't deserve a Pro Bowl spot? did i mention they've just pissed off the Barbarian?

i'm loving this though...because just like the media, the Giants are believing they're invincible now....they're buying into all the talk about how great they are...and that's good. let's see what a hobbled Burress, no TE, no CB's are going to do.

Don't get me arong Deac. I'm not rooting for the Giants...heck I'm not rooting for anyone. I just think with how well the Giants seem to be doing as of late and if Eli shows up to play including the woes of Dallas as of late, this will be a tougher game for Dallas this go around.

The Dallas O has been struggling and the Giants have been playing well. That's all I'm saying. I think this game will not be a blowout and could be very very close. I'm not saying, I'm just saying. ;)

[DeaconBlade]

lol F the Giants. they beat the stupid Bucs. so what. they've won 1 game against winning teams all year. don't believe the hype.

i doubt it will be a blowout either...i know it'll be a tough game regardless but i just think the Cowboys pull it off in the end...too much talent for the Giants.

[AeroHudson]

lol F the Giants. they beat the stupid Bucs. so what. they've won 1 game against winning teams all year. don't believe the hype.

i doubt it will be a blowout either...i know it'll be a tough game regardless but i just think the Cowboys pull it off in the end...too much talent for the Giants.

I think the Giants playing the Patriots tough displays that old adage that any team can be beat on any given Sunday. Don't get too confident there Deac...I smell a possible upset... ;)

[DJSteel]

with Fred Clause as QB.. look for the Giants to lose again to the Cowboys..

[AeroHudson]

with Fred Clause as QB.. look for the Giants to lose again to the Cowboys..

If I had to choose a team I would choose Dallas over the Giants. At the same time I would not be surprised if the Giants win if they bring the game to the table they have brought over the last 2 weeks. Also keep in mind they are 8-1 this year on the road.

[DeaconBlade]

and who exactly caused that 1 in the 8-1? yeah the Cowboys. if they do what they're supposed to do, they'll win the game. Eli doesn't have the Cowboys killer in Shockey. that will be more evident in this game than it was in the Bucs game.

still, any given Sunday anything can happen....i just hope the Boys pull it off...they should...if they play the way they're supposed to, they'll win.

and i'm hoping the Jags kick the Pats ass!

[blazsox]

With Wade Phillips as your head coach, I would be worried.

Music City Miracle anybody?

[DeaconBlade]

this isn't the Buffalo Bills. and it sure as hell isn't Jim Kelly or Frank Reich or whomever you guys had at QB then lol

[AeroHudson]

and i'm hoping the Jags kick the Pats ass!

Word...not happening but...word! ;)

[blazsox]

this isn't the Buffalo Bills. and it sure as hell isn't Jim Kelly or Frank Reich or whomever you guys had at QB then lol

Man I wish we had Kelly, at least we would have choked in the big game and not some divisional game.

Our QB was unfortunately Rob Johnson, with Flutie as a backup. Talk about a shitty 1-2 combo.

[Da Rafsta]

this isn't the Buffalo Bills. and it sure as hell isn't Jim Kelly or Frank Reich or whomever you guys had at QB then lol

blaz was shitting and wetting himself in the diapers back in those days. He knows nothing about THE Bills that were and shall never be again... c'mon Deacon.

[DJSteel]

I just wish that Sportscenter can run once with a reference to the New England Patriots..there is a serious conflict of interest when the national sports channel is located in Connecticut and they basically run Patriot fodder to either give them bulletin board material or to pump up their ego...The Colts, the Steelers, etc..never got this much Sportscenter suck off...

[verteBRae]

and there you have it folks.
New England has won the superbowl, with Indy out of the picture.

[IRISH]

DO NOT underestimate Mr. Favre...

[verteBRae]

DO NOT underestimate Mr. Favre...

I pray to god I have no clue what I'm talking about.

[guywholovesrice]

haha yep farve is awesome, i've always like green bay for some reason

[Bobby Crougar]

GB > NY
SD > NE (if LT plays)

GB > SD

Favre retires on top.


....then does a Jordan....:shhh:

Good try Cowboys & Colts, come join us in front of the tv.

[SpeedracerCJR]

****ing cowboys

[DeaconBlade]

my NFL season is over. time for the Mavericks who will disapoint me too i imagine...F'n Dallas sports teams!!!! stupid damn penalties, Romo, Jessica Simpson, F'n dropped balls...wtf okay i'm done.

i shall not visit the Sports Finish Line in regards to the NFL anymore until next season. one last*&R#)*$&*$&#*$&@#*&@(*&( and i'm out.

[DJSteel]

Who is more at fault Romo or Owens?

[aquaboy1976]

Who is more at fault Romo or Owens?

Deac son't answer you until next season ROFL

[verteBRae]

Imagine..... Eli Manning trumps Tom Brady in the superbowl ! ! !

[blazsox]

Today's Giants game even got Elmo going:

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[DJSteel]

Eli Manning has 2 more playoff wins than Romo... that is funny..

[Practorian]

<strike>Steelers
Colts
Cowboys</strike>
Patriots

One team of ________ (word voluntarily censored) left! I don't think it will happen but it would be nice to keep good mojo flowing here.

[Practorian]

i shall not visit the Sports Finish Line in regards to the NFL anymore until next season.

Dude, thats weak.

[Practorian]

Who is more at fault Romo or Owens?

I don't think either was directly at fault. Owens played hurt and still did OK. Romo did the only think he could do on that 4th down and threw it up. He was about to get sacked, there was no choice. If Dallas had caught it people would be calling him a hero (which would also be a gross exaggeration).

[blazsox]

TO blubbering like the idiot he is:

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[DJSteel]

<strike>Steelers
Colts
Cowboys</strike>
Patriots

One team of ________ (word voluntarily censored) left! I don't think it will happen but it would be nice to keep good mojo flowing here.

don't forget San Diego, the Packers, and the Giants.. as good as the Pats have been played all season.. they have 2 games left and they are due for a bad game...

[dionysusolympus]

TO blubbering like the idiot he is:

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"But...but...he's our quarterback..." :lmao:

[Da Rafsta]

welp....we won't be seeing Deacon around here for a minute....

[Da Rafsta]

It's all Jessica Simpson's fault.....:lmao:

[AeroHudson]

I'm not usually one to say I told you so but...I told you so Deac! ;)

I had this feeling that the Giants would show up to play and to see what they did to Romo in the second half with the pressure they put on him coupled with the coverage with a socalled weak secondary is impressive. I think they will give GB a run for their money but I think this is GB's game to lose.

[Da Rafsta]

It was a good game. Romo played a pretty good game too. Thing is....one team's got to come away the victor. I was thinking Dallas was going to be rustier than how they looked. I think penalties Dallas got called for costed them severely, probably the game.

[paniro777]

I'm not usually one to say I told you so but...I told you so Deac! ;)

I had this feeling that the Giants would show up to play and to see what they did to Romo in the second half with the pressure they put on him coupled with the coverage with a socalled weak secondary is impressive. I think they will give GB a run for their money but I think this is GB's game to lose.

lol, i think the cowboys were a little over-rated all year. But i guess that tends to happen when the so called "america's team" starts off with a good record.

[Viper86]

I can't say I'm surprised the Cowboys lost. They just didn't seem to take the Giants very seriously. Sure you beat them twice in the regular season but that doesn't mean you'll beat them in the playoffs.

[DJSteel]

both the Colts and Cowboys got caught up in the deep ball..too many attempts of 15 yds or more.. both teams they played had a front 7 that attacked up the field.. there were major holes in the 5-10 yd range.. but again they tried to got deep too much...

[verteBRae]

Here's a logical explanation as to why the Colts lost.

Tampa 2 (minus) Pass Rush (equals) Suicide (or) Elimination

[Da Rafsta]

Here's a logical explanation as to why the Colts lost.

Tampa 2 (minus) Pass Rush (equals) Suicide (or) Elimination

not bad....very reasonable. Colts defense just wasn't there. You're right.

[verteBRae]

Let's go Geeeeeeeeeeee-mennnnnnnnnnn!