How much pain will Halo 3 inflict on the PS3? [Archive] - Unscripted 360

Jakob

08-24-2007, 12:14 AM

Just curious, many say it will be a huge knife in the heart for Sony. I think considering that the H3 release is already hyped to be the biggest entertainment release ever (even bigger than the biggest box office movie release), it will put Sony in a serious world of hurt :grouphug:

AeroHudson

08-24-2007, 08:40 AM

I think Sony will have a pretty slow Holiday season this year. With no AAA games really in sight that are system sellers until next year coupled with the huge exclusives that MS has lined up with Halo 3 and the price drop MS will clean up. Sony will probably see less sales of their console this Holiday than last.

Sony will have a better year next year but at the same time no can deny that the momentum surrounding sales will be firmly with the Wii and 360.

DJSteel

08-24-2007, 09:34 AM

rename thread to fanboy thinks Sony is teh SUXXORS

Sirharper

08-24-2007, 09:38 AM

No impact.

People that will buy PS3 have long since known Halo is on the other platform. Did Halo2 kill PS2?

What momentum? 360 sales are stagnant.

SuMeRiaN

08-24-2007, 09:39 AM

rename thread to fanboy thinks Sony is teh SUXXORS

Just ignore this defender of everything Sony and his normal off topic post. I honestly can not see it getting any worse for Sony with the Halo3 release. Hell they are already being outsold every month 2 to 1.

Sirharper

08-24-2007, 09:41 AM

For the record....

Until a movies costs $60-$130 for a ticket, comparing a game to a movie release is ludicris.

DJSteel

08-24-2007, 09:49 AM

Just ignore this defender of everything Sony and his normal off topic post. I honestly can not see it getting any worse for Sony with the Halo3 release. Hell they are already being outsold every month 2 to 1.

I'm a supporter of all systems..i have a 360 and I'd like to get a wii and a ps3.. but can't afford i..why do you care which console 'wins'?

AeroHudson

08-24-2007, 09:52 AM

For the record....

Until a movies costs $60-$130 for a ticket, comparing a game to a movie release is ludicris.

Actually, at the end of the day it's all about revenue and profit. If a game has a $40 million budget and rakes in $125 to $155 million on day one of the release that is an extremely successful and profitable launch. That is where the comparisons come from. It is a sign that video games are becoming more mainstream and is good for the business overall not just MS. Halo helps the industry from a visibility perspective and getting it into mainstream culture like books, movies and music.

As far as 360 sales being stagnant, this is a slow period for all consoles and it always has been. That changed with the price drop as the 360 will see a significant lift. I think sales might double based on some early articles I have read, Amazon performance as well as seeing no 360's sitting on shelves at gaming stores, Best Buy's and other locales.

Considering that the 360 is still outselling the PS3 2 to 1 and staying even with them after their price drop I think they are in good shape. With Bioshock hitting coupled with some heavy hitters every month from here until the end of the year sales will be very good IMHO.

AeroHudson

08-24-2007, 09:55 AM

I'm a supporter of all systems..i have a 360 and I'd like to get a wii and a ps3.. but can't afford i..why do you care which console 'wins'?

Personally, I don't care who wins. However, I do think it is good for the industry as a whole to have Sony trailing in a distant 3rd place. Changing of the guard always brings innovation, competition and better prices and products for the consumer. No other gaming company has remained on top for more than 2 generations. No reason to reverse the trend now...;)

DJSteel

08-24-2007, 10:10 AM

you do care...because you constantly talk about it...

AeroHudson

08-24-2007, 10:14 AM

you do care...because you constantly talk about it...

As long as I can play great games on the consoles I own, it's all good. I am interested, yes. I find the gaming industry facinating. I'm glad that some new blood (MS) and some rebounders (Nintendo) are in the game now instead of lagging behind. That I do care about since competition drives good things for consumers. As far as who sells the most consoles at the end of the day, as long as my game selection is good and the industry is healthy I really don't care who wins.

I talk about it because I find it interesting and I have strong opinions on who I think will win. At the end of the day no skin off my back. Personally, I think there will be more than one winner this gen.

DJSteel

08-24-2007, 10:50 AM

you just have strong opinions period. lol..

Da Rafsta

08-24-2007, 11:01 AM

I couldn't give two shits as to who wins. Lower the prices on new releases so I can play these damn games...that's all I have to say! LOL

AeroHudson

08-24-2007, 11:02 AM

you just have strong opinions period. lol..

Don't we all? ;)

DJSteel

08-24-2007, 11:07 AM

nah..there are a lot of things i can care less about.....o-zone layer...etc....j/k

Da Rafsta

08-24-2007, 11:56 AM

nah..there are a lot of things i can care less about.....o-zone layer...etc....j/k

you say that cause you don't live in Houston where the heat is a muhhhhh!!!

TXPaladin

08-24-2007, 01:56 PM

Not sure, but I think it will be huge for Microsoft. I couldn't have picked a better time to get my 360. Don't look now, but a bunch of New Kids are about to hit the block yall.

AeroHudson

08-24-2007, 02:09 PM

Not sure, but I think it will be huge for Microsoft. I couldn't have picked a better time to get my 360. Don't look now, but a bunch of New Kids are about to hit the block yall.

I agree. Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Lost Odyssey, Call of Duty 4, Half Life2 Orange Box, GH III, Rock Band, etc. on a cheaper platform that just experienced a price drop means mad sales numbers.

I have quite a few friends that have not taken the plunge yet that have been waiting for Halo 3 and a price drop among other things that will be jumping on board. This year will be huge for MS and not so good for the PS3 in my mind. If Sony plays their cards right with a real price drop and some great exclusives they should perform very well next holiday season.

blazsox

08-24-2007, 08:54 PM

People still forget the Gamecube was a not a Nintendo failure. It was all profit for them.

DJSteel

08-25-2007, 07:58 AM

if anything is a gimmick it is rock band and it ridiculous price..

AeroHudson

08-26-2007, 05:43 PM

if anything is a gimmick it is rock band and it ridiculous price..

I agree the price is steep and as a result I will not be buying it. I think calling it a gimmick is a little of an over statement.

DJSteel

08-26-2007, 05:50 PM

Do you consider the Mech controller for the Xbox a gimmick???

pvsurfer03

08-27-2007, 12:11 AM

I had a hard time paying 100 bucks for Guitar Hero 2 on the 360. There's no way I'd consider splurging 200+ for the complete Rock Band experience.

With that said, I think Microsoft is going to have a huge holiday season. There are a few PS3 games I'd like to get my hands on such as Resistance, Naughty Dogs game (called drake something), Warhawk, and Ratchet and Clank. Killzone 2 looks promising, but I'll wait to reserve judgement on that one until it ships. However, it sounds like most of the PS3's big hitters won't come out till this time next year.

Jakob

08-27-2007, 02:40 AM

For the record....

Until a movies costs $60-$130 for a ticket, comparing a game to a movie release is ludicris.

Actually its not me claiming it, several shows have already claimed it to be the biggest release ever in the entertainment business. CNN, CNET, G4 Tech tv etc

Sirharper

08-27-2007, 08:05 AM

Actually its not me claiming it, several shows have already claimed it to be the biggest release ever in the entertainment business. CNN, CNET, G4 Tech tv etc

Oh I know. MS started making this comparison themselves when Halo2 launched. For some reason not many have questioned the practice. I think the comparison is quite silly and totally unrelated.

AeroHudson

08-27-2007, 03:23 PM

Oh I know. MS started making this comparison themselves when Halo2 launched. For some reason not many have questioned the practice. I think the comparison is quite silly and totally unrelated.

Business is not about units sold it's about total revenue. When you look at it from a dollars taken in perspective noone can argue that Halo 2 was successful nor that Halo 3 will be successful.

And, no DJ, I do not conisder the mech controller to be a gimmick. I consider it to be a product that is catered towards the hardcore gamer / mech fan. I do not consider myself to be a part of the hardcore mech crowd and this product did not appeal to me. Even in saying this that does not make it a gimmick.

Sirharper

08-27-2007, 03:32 PM

Why compare a single day total of $60-$130 console game to a $4-$15 movie ticket and then declare yourself the king of the entertainment industry?

On day two and beyond the blockbuster movie pulls away to stay. Try comparing games to other games...like say...the upcoming UNIFIED GTA:IV launch day.

It's about hype, not revenue. Whatever revenue Halo3 generates will be swallowed by mounting Xbox losses. Now even the accessories are breaking, adding to the losses.

SuMeRiaN

08-27-2007, 07:09 PM

It's about hype, not revenue. Whatever revenue Halo3 generates will be swallowed by mounting Xbox losses. Now even the accessories are breaking, adding to the losses.

"Swallowed" LOL do you just make this crap up. Halo3 is going be like GOW x 4, I highly suggest you get on board or get left behind.

Sirharper

08-27-2007, 10:37 PM

LOL...fact check.

The Xbox division is $5 BILLION in the red and climbing.

Even if Halo3 somehow generates an impossible $500 million (over it's entire life) in gross revenue...how much of that do you actually think is profit? $100 million? That DOES NOT EVEN DENT THE LOSSES.

Maybe you should try getting on the reality train.

AeroHudson

08-27-2007, 10:53 PM

The 360 is on the road to profitability. The releases of games like Halo 3 are a huge boost to this goal. I also think it is safe to say that Halo 3 will sell more copies than Gears which sold close to 4 million.

Let's also stay on this gen and not past gens. With that arguement Sony looks like a success this gen when they are further in the red with the PS3 than any other next gen console.

Sirharper

08-28-2007, 12:49 PM

On the road to profitability??? NO IT'S NOT! It's losing more money all the time now with the billion + in quality issues alone.

I'd love to see a link where Sony is more than 2 billion dollars in the red on PS3. I certainly haven't seen anything to that effect.

I am asking this legitimate question to all people of fanboy tendancy...how much PROFIT do you believe Halo3 will generate? I said $100 million even by the most generous of estimates. Keep in mind thats more profit that Halo2 generated. Even at $100 million thats not even a drop out of the bucket of Xbox losses. You guys thinking Halo3 is going to turn everything around are just...sorry to have to say this...clueless.

Sirharper

08-28-2007, 01:06 PM

AeroHudson

08-28-2007, 02:55 PM

Shocking update....

I checked to see what the PS3 losses were and was amazed to see it has lost 29.2 billion yen as of July.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/26/sony-profits-soar-despite-ps3-losses-ps2-hot-as-ever/

Seems staggering doesn't it? But wait...

http://www.xe.com/

Convert 29.2 billion yen to US dollars and you see the losses are "only" $254,237,672 US.

WOW..thats means the total PS3 losses are only 1/10 that of the $2+ billion 360 has lost.

So much for your whole arguments.

Never said that they were more in the red than the 360. They are however still in the red and will be more so with the $100 price cut and if their systems start to sell (i.e. due to losses for each unit sold).

If anyone expected MS or Sony for that matter to generate a profit with their next gen systems in less than 2 years then I have some beach front property to sell them. At the end of the day, I couldn't care less about the numbers as long as they continue to make great gaming products and so far they have not let me down. I have received countless hours of gaming nirvana from my Xbox and my 360 and that will not stop soon.

I wonder Sirharper, how much gaming enjoyment have you been getting lately since you refuse to switch on the 360? You sound really bitter while the rest of us are enjoying our gaming time. :D

Sirharper

08-28-2007, 03:04 PM

AeroHudson

08-28-2007, 03:07 PM

Don't worry chief...I'll be back to pwn n00bs and fanbois at Halo3 on launch day. ;)

After that GTA:IV.

Since I jumped out so fast to a 30k + gamerscore I figured I'd take a 5 months break to let the n00bs catch up a bit. :) Besides, WoW is a damn good game.

Check out Bioshock while you're at it. Freaking awesome game! Just finished it on my first play through last night. Probably the best single player experience I have ever had.

It's games like these that generate a bit of faith for me regarding the 360. I can honestly say that over 90% of the games I have played on the 360 I have thoroughly enjoyed.